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okay

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welcome to night vision radio

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hey everybody how are you tonight

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i'm doing fine this week i have to let

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you know right up front that i am

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operating under duress tonight

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i lost my dog sitters at the last minute

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everybody decided to go out

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and there's absolutely no location in my

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house or on the grounds where i get my

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dogs could be that you can't hear them

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making tons of noise

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so being the mama's dogs that they are

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they're actually right here with me

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right now they're both crashed out

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let's pray that that stays that way and

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uh but if you hear strange noises

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barking howling

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uh it it's not a haunting it's just my

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dogs it's just bijou and toby so i hope

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you hang in there with me with that and

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i apologize in advance if they make any

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undue noises but anyhow tonight i'm

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really excited about the show but first

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i also want to remind you to please go

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to facebook and like night vision radio

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that would help me out very very much

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and also uh look me up on facebook renee

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barnett and

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friend me if you uh are interested in

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the subject matter that we cover here i

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often post things that you might be

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interested in on my page and you're

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welcome to share any of that on your

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site as well

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so i want to also remind you that i am

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planning that little trip to france in

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may it's going to be a very small tour

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so if you'd like to get on board

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i'd love for you to

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contact me on facebook we're going to be

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of course hanging out with the

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inimitable henry lincoln as well as tim

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wallace murphy who's another

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best-selling author and he's very very

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well versed in the symbolism in

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renaissance art the templars

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and also all things renlish chateau so

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all you rennies please contact me and

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i'll give you the details on the trip

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also planning to go in september so if

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that works better for you

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the sooner you let me know that uh the

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better that would be also

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now i'm not going to uh

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tarry any longer because we've got a lot

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of ground to cover with my guest tonight

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i'm really excited and

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connected with him uh just recently and

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had some very interesting conversations

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about his work

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and i hope that you will uh

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thoroughly enjoy as much as i do tonight

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and welcome walter bosley hey walter how

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doing great renee thanks for having me

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on

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you've written lots of books and your

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background is very very interesting i

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know you have some intelligence

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background and uh work for the af osi

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and we had an interesting conversation

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about intelligence today and i want to

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bring some of that up a little bit later

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but first i want to start out

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with your series empire of the wheel

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and today on my facebook page and on the

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a picture of a particular site that

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everyone was very very interested in

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and very few people

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guessed that it was in the united states

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which was which was kind of interesting

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but it's it's a picture of something

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called the world peace bridge and tower

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in riverside and this

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site figures prominently

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in your series is that right

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yes it um in empire the wheel 3 i really

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get into

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examining this peace tower in this

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bridge site and

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other aspects of mount rubido are

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discussed in my first secret missions

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one about juan cabrillo and the templars

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and such but the site is

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very interesting indeed

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actually it's virtually downtown um it

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is technically a hill it's you know a

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but uh close enough and looks enough

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like a mountain and by tradition they

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call it mount rubido but it's right

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and without getting too much into into

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the book into book three although that

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is the latest uh the latest episode i'm

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wondering um

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could you just tell me what led you to

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this site and why do you say it's

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history within the context of what i've

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trilogy and also from you know some

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which i did finally get around to

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writing about in empire the wheel 3

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the nameless ones and

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essentially i've i've spent you know

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in the inland empire specifically the

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san bernardino valley i went to high

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school in yokaipa started college at

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valley college in san bernardino and and

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you know through the years i've come

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back and left and such

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and um i had never climbed mount rubido

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never made the walk up the hill

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so i had never seen the peace tower i

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um the things that would lead to

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empire the wheel this was before i even

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knew i was going to write a book this

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was before i even discovered the mystery

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of the woman chorus stanton

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this was when some very

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odd strange things were presenting

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themselves

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from a personal interest level well i

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went out to investigate a particular

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what's known as the citrus park

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historical citrus park it's in riverside

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history that's here

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and i was out there investigating some

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teloric current or um erroneously called

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ley lines but that's what people know

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i got curious about another hill

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and drove over to take a look and i

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found a quarry

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and this quarry of course i i write

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about an empire of the wheel three um

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it's it's one of the sites that's

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odd i came away with uh suddenly feeling

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all my energy just draining from me

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um what were they quarrying there what

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this is an old quarry that's been

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it was first opened or whatever you call

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it when you open a quarry i think in the

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and it's been dormant for decades and

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probably as far as i know you know just

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that's as far as i've i've been able in

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my research to find you know the details

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of this quarry but i came away from this

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quarry

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in the 20-minute drive home

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i could just feel the energy my energy

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just draining out of my body and

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i felt like i was like you feel when

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you're coming down with a cold or the

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flu or something

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in my shoulder and neck and it was all

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this had struck me and it was it was

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really bad but but i got the idea that i

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had to go climb mount rubido that day

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because you know it was lingering out

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there in my research and i had to go do

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it anyway but for some reason i felt

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compelled in this condition

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to drive over there and go do this now i

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been driving my car because i had to

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turn my body completely to the right

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just to you know and left turn my body

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completely when i changed lanes and just

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to make sure you know there's no

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oncoming traffic because i don't rely

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rubido and as i was walking up the path

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lo and behold i came across this bridge

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that you see

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in the photo that you're talking about

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that you posted on your facebook

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and it's a little footbridge there's a

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stairwell is on your right and across

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the bridge on your left is this stone

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oh sorry about that i'm hearing some

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cutting out but also i wanted to let

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people know that i've just posted that

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picture also in the chat room so if

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you're listening but not joining us in

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the chat room you might want to just hop

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on

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also see that image right now of

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of the peace tower that he's talking

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sorry walter oh that's okay that's okay

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well as i said the thing that struck me

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about this bridge was that um i in my

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counter-terrorism days i spent some time

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in a little little town called mostar

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what's called the um

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freedom or friendship bridge i think

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it's called the friendship bridge

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and it was destroyed during the bosnian

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war and they rebuilt it and they're real

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proud of it and in fact i'm looking at a

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framed watercolor painting of it that i

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uh bought in sarajevo um years ago

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hanging on my wall and and the bridge

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there the design of this bridge on mount

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rubido is very similar it's kind of got

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a peaked center if you can imagine that

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and and look up the most star uh bridge

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um and and

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from the angle in the painting even

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there's a tower on one end of the mostar

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bridge that this resembles greatly the

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the

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uh

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bridge on mount rubido with the tower to

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the left and so i saw this and i thought

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wow that just you know that reminds me

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of the most our bridge and i thought

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well i know that frank miller who you

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know owned this property up here and

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built the mission in had traveled the

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world and i thought well you know maybe

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maybe he built this and he had

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seen that bridge too or one like it so i

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i went up the steps and remember i'm my

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body is stiff i mean i'm in pain

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and i go up these steps and i walk

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across the bridge and i go over to the

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tower and i'm looking at the tower and

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you know standing up there and i'm kind

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of touching it as i go around because

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i'm trying to lift my

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self up a foot or so to look in the the

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entryway the little window slotted

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window and as i'm doing this

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you know i'm looking at the tower and

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and then i notice something and i stop

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and

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at the

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in in the moments

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that i was standing there at the tower

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touching the tower

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the pain in my shoulder had disappeared

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and i and the stiffness was gone and i

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had full range motion

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and just a moment before it had been

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really bad pain i mean i had been taking

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um uh ibuprofen for it

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and such and um

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so

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you went to the quarry and you really

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you know

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i got it i i yeah i got the

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way i describe problem is yeah the

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quarry

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drained me and gave me this issue and

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then the tower

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kind of cured it

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wow now what was the time frame there

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this interestingly enough this was the

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week leading up to christmas of 2007.

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and when you went to the quarry then how

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long was it before you made your way

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over to the tower was it

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it was three days

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now here's what's three days later so

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all these three days you were feeling

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miserable yeah i suffered this now

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here's a little part that um

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i share privately with people that i i

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don't think

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that i've ever said this in an interview

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before excuse me if i have okay we have

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a night vision exclusive here yeah

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when you read my books you'll find that

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hecate the goddess hecate is at the

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center

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of all of this mystery

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and i um

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i had

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come across her in her form of saint

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catherine of alexandria

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um and there's a chapter in empire the

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wheel one where rick spence and i

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present the evidence that there was no

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such person as saint catherine of

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alexandria she was a syncretic

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fabrication based upon hypatia of

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alexandria and the goddess hecate

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and she was syncretic so that the pagans

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that the church at the time you know

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were ruling over could go ahead and

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continue hecate worship but you know

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they could call her you know by the name

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of a catholic saint so saint catherine

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of alexandria

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as such never existed it's all fake

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um now here's the interesting thing when

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i was over at the citrus park there was

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a little rose garden there and i sat for

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a time on the bench and

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looking at the roses and kicking back

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and and the whole saint catherine thing

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had emerged in my research

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and so as i'm sitting there

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smart alec that i can be in my research

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okay catherine

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show me something

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well

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um

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i got up i went to my car and as i was

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driving to go back to the freeway i hit

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victoria boulevard and

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and it just dawned on me i think i'll

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turn on victoria boulevard i won't take

389
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the freeway and so i continue on

390
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victoria boulevard and i'm driving along

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and i turn and i look and there's this

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hill in this community notice the the

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hills here the mountains um

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and i say you know what i think i'll go

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take a look at this hill look around

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there and i drive around and i find some

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interesting things and then i found the

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quarry

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so basically all that to say

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i told uh i asked catherine hecate to

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show me something and she did

402
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she took me to the quarry

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and

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um

405
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later on things led me to the tower

406
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you know to heal

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what the quarry had demonstrated for me

408
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and um

409
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you know you know i was looking at some

410
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representations of hecate after you know

411
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delving into some of your research

412
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in preparation for the show and i found

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certainly one representation of her i

414
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have seen

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uh those i think i i want to say in

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statuary in in london but also uh there

417
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was one representation that looked very

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very uh

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curiously like the statue of liberty

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yes which i thought was really

421
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interesting which of course was a gift

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from the french

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and then i also of course uh

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you know couldn't help but note that you

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know rubido is a french name so i just

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you know my conspiratorial minds started

427
00:17:16,630 --> 00:17:14,640
going crazy but you will really like

428
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empire the wheel 3 because

429
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i absolutely analyzed the name rubido

430
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from the

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perspective of the french

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i i was on to that too i realized wait a

433
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minute there's something french going on

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here

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and i do get into that in the third

436
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the third book is the linguistic

437
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breakdown of rubido

438
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and how it could very well have been

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named

440
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something uh french-related which is

441
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very interesting in our context right

442
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yeah it absolutely is now

443
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you know you you had this

444
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sort of juxtaposit juxtaposition of this

445
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quarry and it's sort of bad

446
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mojo

447
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bad energy or whatever it it was

448
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negative energy will not say bad and and

449
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then yeah okay that's that's very good

450
00:18:05,669 --> 00:18:03,440
and then

451
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on the other hand now

452
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where were these located from each other

453
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um

454
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i mean did you feel like

455
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you know

456
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you had been sort of presented with

457
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these polar opposites

458
00:18:22,710 --> 00:18:19,840
yes i mean there seems to be in

459
00:18:24,470 --> 00:18:22,720
the occult and in these mysteries that

460
00:18:27,029 --> 00:18:24,480
you know all of us are so

461
00:18:28,710 --> 00:18:27,039
are so much into there seems to be a lot

462
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of mirroring

463
00:18:33,270 --> 00:18:31,200
and there's a lot of duality

464
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yeah and you have the dark and the light

465
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and the positive and the negative

466
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exactly and what you've got is think

467
00:18:42,230 --> 00:18:39,200
about it you've got a tower on a

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mountain which is a high point and then

469
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you got a hole in the ground which is

470
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what a quarry is and certainly this one

471
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so the opposite again yeah yeah so

472
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there's the the hole in the ground

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brought me down

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and and you know left me stricken so to

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speak the tower on the hill

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brought me up and healed me

477
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and and you know here's the thing my

478
00:19:04,150 --> 00:19:02,559
whole life isn't full of these episodes

479
00:19:07,029 --> 00:19:04,160
you get two of those out of me you get

480
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this one and the one in south america i

481
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had kind of a

482
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more milder healing while at olan

483
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taitambo on a trip with david childress

484
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in the world explorers club in 2003

485
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and um you know those are the two

486
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experiences i've had with location

487
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and

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physical healing

489
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hmm now what was that what were you do

490
00:19:33,350 --> 00:19:30,880
you want to talk about that at all

491
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what was your south america yeah yeah um

492
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basically i was on the trip

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and um everybody kind of had the ick it

494
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was early in the trip kind of everybody

495
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we'd been there long enough where

496
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everybody was feeling kind of

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to varying degrees and that was the day

498
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that i was going to stay back at the um

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the lodging

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and not go up to the site of the ancient

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city at olan taitambo it's on the road

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to machu picchu from cusco and i was not

503
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going to go up and at the last minute i

504
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said you know what i've come this far i

505
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paid for this trip

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you know walter get off your butt and

507
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you know go up the hill just because you

508
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feel icky and um so i went i

509
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made the walk there

510
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and i noticed

511
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as you know we were at the top i noticed

512
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all of a sudden the ick feeling was gone

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and my headache was gone

514
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and i felt great i felt full of energy

515
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and then as we came back down

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you know my energy kind of went down a

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little bit but i never felt as icky so

518
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to speak again for the rest of the trip

519
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i in fact it was

520
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pretty fine the rest of the trip except

521
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the altitude at cuzco was was giving me

522
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a giving all of us headaches in fact i

523
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remember paying

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the pan flute trio

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to not play for us

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in the restaurant because we all had a

527
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headache

528
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i paid them i paid them not to play oh

529
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and i looked kind of sad

530
00:21:01,909 --> 00:20:59,840
yeah but hey they got paid

531
00:21:04,149 --> 00:21:01,919
well yeah i'm sure that that was fine

532
00:21:05,190 --> 00:21:04,159
paid not to work so that's cool

533
00:21:07,830 --> 00:21:05,200
um

534
00:21:09,750 --> 00:21:07,840
now you mentioned ley lines and i know

535
00:21:11,669 --> 00:21:09,760
that's a misnomer i read that in your

536
00:21:14,149 --> 00:21:11,679
work and you're absolutely right because

537
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they both mean the same thing

538
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that's another double though you know

539
00:21:19,029 --> 00:21:18,080
which is kind of interesting

540
00:21:24,149 --> 00:21:19,039
um

541
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how do ley lines figure into

542
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this side and the quarry

543
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into the peace tower and the quarry

544
00:21:34,470 --> 00:21:31,520
well there is uh uh

545
00:21:38,310 --> 00:21:34,480
you know this energy i i i've been

546
00:21:41,830 --> 00:21:38,320
calling it to current but i might be

547
00:21:43,350 --> 00:21:41,840
revising that based on some recent um

548
00:21:45,590 --> 00:21:43,360
conversations

549
00:21:47,350 --> 00:21:45,600
with another researcher that i'm close

550
00:21:49,350 --> 00:21:47,360
friends with

551
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because i think we've

552
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we've

553
00:21:58,070 --> 00:21:56,080
this energy but for the purposes of

554
00:21:59,990 --> 00:21:58,080
keeping it simple you know most people

555
00:22:01,909 --> 00:22:00,000
refer to it as ley lines or you know

556
00:22:05,590 --> 00:22:01,919
i've been calling it alert current there

557
00:22:08,789 --> 00:22:05,600
there is the empire the wheel books um

558
00:22:11,190 --> 00:22:08,799
describe and present

559
00:22:13,190 --> 00:22:11,200
this world grid energy this telluric

560
00:22:14,789 --> 00:22:13,200
current ley line stuff as it's laid out

561
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in the inland empire specifically the

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san bernardino valley and riverside and

563
00:22:21,750 --> 00:22:19,360
these sites are connected

564
00:22:23,990 --> 00:22:21,760
to a very interesting

565
00:22:27,909 --> 00:22:24,000
uh configuration of this energy which

566
00:22:31,110 --> 00:22:27,919
ceshari thinks is actually an artificial

567
00:22:36,789 --> 00:22:33,669
that was created by

568
00:22:39,350 --> 00:22:36,799
certain things done on certain sites and

569
00:22:40,390 --> 00:22:39,360
this configuration is in the shape of a

570
00:22:42,149 --> 00:22:40,400
butterfly

571
00:22:45,430 --> 00:22:42,159
or a moth

572
00:22:47,669 --> 00:22:45,440
um in each one of those have interesting

573
00:22:50,630 --> 00:22:47,679
um you know connotations when you think

574
00:22:51,750 --> 00:22:50,640
of you know butterflies in general with

575
00:22:54,230 --> 00:22:51,760
you know kind of what we're talking

576
00:22:57,190 --> 00:22:54,240
about here and uh you know the whole

577
00:22:59,029 --> 00:22:57,200
mothman thing as well but

578
00:23:01,029 --> 00:22:59,039
and i have a map of this

579
00:23:03,430 --> 00:23:01,039
and it's it's in the books

580
00:23:04,630 --> 00:23:03,440
um mount rubido

581
00:23:11,590 --> 00:23:04,640
is

582
00:23:13,669 --> 00:23:11,600
um

583
00:23:15,830 --> 00:23:13,679
this configuration so you have this

584
00:23:17,110 --> 00:23:15,840
energy

585
00:23:19,909 --> 00:23:17,120
flowing and then you've got some

586
00:23:23,110 --> 00:23:19,919
fibonacci spiral activity going on there

587
00:23:24,070 --> 00:23:23,120
down the ridge of rubido

588
00:23:26,070 --> 00:23:24,080
which

589
00:23:28,870 --> 00:23:26,080
is kind of interesting now the quarry is

590
00:23:31,270 --> 00:23:28,880
located south of the southern end of

591
00:23:33,909 --> 00:23:31,280
mount rubido and mount rubino kind of

592
00:23:35,909 --> 00:23:33,919
its ridge runs north north south with a

593
00:23:36,870 --> 00:23:35,919
curve of course going into the northeast

594
00:23:39,430 --> 00:23:36,880
but

595
00:23:41,830 --> 00:23:39,440
um the energy that would that fl that i

596
00:23:43,590 --> 00:23:41,840
say flows through the mountain

597
00:23:45,750 --> 00:23:43,600
um

598
00:23:47,750 --> 00:23:45,760
it either it either flows from north to

599
00:23:51,029 --> 00:23:47,760
the south into the quarry or

600
00:23:53,270 --> 00:23:51,039
you know would flow from the quarry into

601
00:23:55,750 --> 00:23:53,280
the north whatever i haven't worked

602
00:23:57,110 --> 00:23:55,760
those details out yet but um

603
00:23:58,630 --> 00:23:57,120
there is

604
00:24:01,350 --> 00:23:58,640
a line there

605
00:24:03,110 --> 00:24:01,360
that the way it curves would suggest

606
00:24:06,789 --> 00:24:03,120
that there is an energy flow or the

607
00:24:09,430 --> 00:24:06,799
quarry might actually been an attempt to

608
00:24:10,710 --> 00:24:09,440
tap into this energy flow

609
00:24:12,549 --> 00:24:10,720
because the quarry of course is an

610
00:24:14,950 --> 00:24:12,559
artificial construction

611
00:24:17,029 --> 00:24:14,960
and you mentioned fibonacci spiral how

612
00:24:19,190 --> 00:24:17,039
does that figure in

613
00:24:25,590 --> 00:24:19,200
how does that manifest

614
00:24:31,350 --> 00:24:28,549
it's interesting there

615
00:24:34,549 --> 00:24:31,360
you can lay the fibonacci spiral in

616
00:24:36,710 --> 00:24:34,559
downtown riverside with the with the the

617
00:24:38,310 --> 00:24:36,720
interior beginning you know how if you

618
00:24:39,750 --> 00:24:38,320
start at the inner

619
00:24:42,390 --> 00:24:39,760
starting point

620
00:24:44,950 --> 00:24:42,400
of the spiral not the outer part but the

621
00:24:46,390 --> 00:24:44,960
inner part if you place it at the hekate

622
00:24:48,310 --> 00:24:46,400
shrine that i've found

623
00:24:51,110 --> 00:24:48,320
blatantly out in the open in downtown

624
00:24:53,029 --> 00:24:51,120
riverside and it's been there for

625
00:24:54,149 --> 00:24:53,039
like over a century

626
00:24:56,870 --> 00:24:54,159
um

627
00:25:00,070 --> 00:24:56,880
if you if you lay the spiral

628
00:25:03,430 --> 00:25:00,080
if you lay the starting point there set

629
00:25:09,029 --> 00:25:06,149
there is an angle of the spiral at which

630
00:25:10,630 --> 00:25:09,039
it goes through these interesting sites

631
00:25:13,590 --> 00:25:10,640
that i talk about in the book and then

632
00:25:14,630 --> 00:25:13,600
eventually goes down the spine of mount

633
00:25:17,750 --> 00:25:14,640
rubido

634
00:25:19,909 --> 00:25:17,760
and down to the quarry

635
00:25:22,230 --> 00:25:19,919
you have to if if

636
00:25:24,870 --> 00:25:22,240
when you read the books you'll you'll

637
00:25:27,110 --> 00:25:24,880
see what i mean by the various sites

638
00:25:29,190 --> 00:25:27,120
um but it's just one of the aspects the

639
00:25:31,510 --> 00:25:29,200
whole thing isn't hinged on the

640
00:25:33,029 --> 00:25:31,520
fibonacci spiral it's just that you can

641
00:25:35,190 --> 00:25:33,039
find that in there

642
00:25:37,990 --> 00:25:35,200
the whole thing actually

643
00:25:41,750 --> 00:25:38,000
i think and accessory and others think

644
00:25:44,230 --> 00:25:41,760
that this this butterfly configuration

645
00:25:47,830 --> 00:25:44,240
of energy is even more important than

646
00:25:49,269 --> 00:25:47,840
any saganachi spiral you could lay down

647
00:25:52,470 --> 00:25:49,279
wow

648
00:25:54,310 --> 00:25:52,480
now it seems to you know again i mean it

649
00:25:55,430 --> 00:25:54,320
seems like every time we start

650
00:25:57,669 --> 00:25:55,440
uncovering

651
00:26:00,070 --> 00:25:57,679
things whether it be in europe whether

652
00:26:01,669 --> 00:26:00,080
it be with our founding fathers

653
00:26:04,470 --> 00:26:01,679
uh whether it be with the knights

654
00:26:07,110 --> 00:26:04,480
templar it seems like at the heart of it

655
00:26:09,510 --> 00:26:07,120
you always get down to to some form of

656
00:26:11,430 --> 00:26:09,520
goddess worship

657
00:26:13,590 --> 00:26:11,440
um

658
00:26:18,950 --> 00:26:13,600
you often do

659
00:26:21,190 --> 00:26:18,960
right there um

660
00:26:22,710 --> 00:26:21,200
but

661
00:26:24,710 --> 00:26:22,720
there's also

662
00:26:26,390 --> 00:26:24,720
as i talk about in

663
00:26:28,310 --> 00:26:26,400
empire the wheel three

664
00:26:31,269 --> 00:26:28,320
the nameless ones

665
00:26:34,789 --> 00:26:31,279
there's also a cathulic

666
00:26:36,310 --> 00:26:34,799
entity which enters the picture

667
00:26:39,190 --> 00:26:36,320
and you might

668
00:26:41,590 --> 00:26:39,200
could say maybe it's a versus thing

669
00:26:44,390 --> 00:26:41,600
the goddess worshipers versus the

670
00:26:45,909 --> 00:26:44,400
cthulhu worshipers

671
00:26:48,310 --> 00:26:45,919
um

672
00:26:49,830 --> 00:26:48,320
so you know it it all depends on which

673
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:49,840
civilization or which hidden

674
00:26:54,870 --> 00:26:53,410
you're talking about

675
00:26:56,070 --> 00:26:54,880
[Music]

676
00:26:57,909 --> 00:26:56,080
yeah

677
00:26:58,870 --> 00:26:57,919
because even though hecate is a major

678
00:27:01,669 --> 00:26:58,880
theme

679
00:27:03,590 --> 00:27:01,679
in definitely in the first book and with

680
00:27:06,070 --> 00:27:03,600
what i've laid out in these three books

681
00:27:10,230 --> 00:27:06,080
in the third book the other entity

682
00:27:13,510 --> 00:27:11,830
well it's just it's really interesting

683
00:27:15,909 --> 00:27:13,520
especially to find you know that it's

684
00:27:18,070 --> 00:27:15,919
right here in my backyard in southern

685
00:27:19,750 --> 00:27:18,080
california i've got to get down there

686
00:27:21,110 --> 00:27:19,760
oh you know what

687
00:27:24,070 --> 00:27:21,120
we've made it through the first half

688
00:27:25,830 --> 00:27:24,080
hour uh the dogs are still asleep we're

689
00:27:28,230 --> 00:27:25,840
still good to go and we're going to take

690
00:27:31,190 --> 00:27:28,240
a quick break and we'll be back in just

691
00:27:32,789 --> 00:27:31,200
a moment with my guest walter bosley and

692
00:27:49,530 --> 00:27:32,799
more of his

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746
00:30:57,669 --> 00:30:54,789
welcome back you're listening to night

747
00:31:00,950 --> 00:30:57,679
vision radio i'm your host renee barnett

748
00:31:03,269 --> 00:31:00,960
our guest tonight is walter bosley uh

749
00:31:05,269 --> 00:31:03,279
he's the author of a series of books

750
00:31:08,149 --> 00:31:05,279
called empire of the wheel which are

751
00:31:11,430 --> 00:31:08,159
just extremely fascinating

752
00:31:14,870 --> 00:31:11,440
and very riveting so we've been talking

753
00:31:17,669 --> 00:31:14,880
about a location in southern california

754
00:31:18,710 --> 00:31:17,679
and or in and about riverside california

755
00:31:22,549 --> 00:31:18,720
i guess

756
00:31:26,070 --> 00:31:22,559
call the world peace bridge and tower

757
00:31:28,230 --> 00:31:26,080
that uh has some strange connections for

758
00:31:31,430 --> 00:31:28,240
for walter himself personally when he

759
00:31:33,590 --> 00:31:31,440
had some experiences

760
00:31:36,389 --> 00:31:33,600
going to a nearby quarry

761
00:31:39,110 --> 00:31:36,399
and then later visiting this site that

762
00:31:41,269 --> 00:31:39,120
he's uh explained for us now we were

763
00:31:43,990 --> 00:31:41,279
talking a little bit uh

764
00:31:47,350 --> 00:31:44,000
before the break about the whole goddess

765
00:31:50,549 --> 00:31:47,360
aspect of things and it does seem like

766
00:31:52,950 --> 00:31:50,559
the goddess worship thing does seem

767
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771
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772
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773
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775
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780
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781
00:32:24,710 --> 00:32:23,279
uh quite a bit

782
00:32:26,149 --> 00:32:24,720
in um

783
00:32:29,350 --> 00:32:26,159
when you start digging through these

784
00:32:32,149 --> 00:32:29,360
things and i wonder uh

785
00:32:33,750 --> 00:32:32,159
you know if if you see that connection

786
00:32:35,430 --> 00:32:33,760
or is that just something i'm just

787
00:32:37,029 --> 00:32:35,440
seizing on because it you know kind of

788
00:32:39,110 --> 00:32:37,039
fits into

789
00:32:40,950 --> 00:32:39,120
the things that i'm into

790
00:32:42,389 --> 00:32:40,960
oh no absolutely there's a goddess

791
00:32:44,789 --> 00:32:42,399
connection like i said

792
00:32:47,909 --> 00:32:44,799
i discovered a blatant um what i call a

793
00:32:49,430 --> 00:32:47,919
hecate shrine in downtown riverside

794
00:32:50,870 --> 00:32:49,440
here's what's interesting i had been i

795
00:32:53,269 --> 00:32:50,880
had been investigating this stuff i've

796
00:32:55,350 --> 00:32:53,279
been researching it and i myself

797
00:32:58,389 --> 00:32:55,360
um was into this stuff for two or three

798
00:33:00,470 --> 00:32:58,399
years before i even happened to look up

799
00:33:02,630 --> 00:33:00,480
on a corner one day

800
00:33:05,590 --> 00:33:02,640
that i had investigated before

801
00:33:08,149 --> 00:33:05,600
and and just my jaw dropped because i'm

802
00:33:10,630 --> 00:33:08,159
looking at this going oh my i started

803
00:33:12,149 --> 00:33:10,640
laughing i cannot believe this there she

804
00:33:13,590 --> 00:33:12,159
is right there

805
00:33:15,669 --> 00:33:13,600
and that's in

806
00:33:17,430 --> 00:33:15,679
that's in the books as well

807
00:33:18,470 --> 00:33:17,440
uh in the third book

808
00:33:20,549 --> 00:33:18,480
um

809
00:33:21,990 --> 00:33:20,559
and did you did you find out anything

810
00:33:24,070 --> 00:33:22,000
about how

811
00:33:27,029 --> 00:33:24,080
you know the the origination of that

812
00:33:27,830 --> 00:33:27,039
statue came to be there who was behind

813
00:33:32,789 --> 00:33:27,840
it

814
00:33:35,029 --> 00:33:32,799
building and um

815
00:33:37,190 --> 00:33:35,039
again like i said that i i'm it's it's

816
00:33:38,630 --> 00:33:37,200
not olmstead it was a very well known he

817
00:33:39,509 --> 00:33:38,640
was a very well-known architect at the

818
00:33:42,310 --> 00:33:39,519
time

819
00:33:44,549 --> 00:33:42,320
civic type of designer

820
00:33:49,029 --> 00:33:44,559
and he designed the building

821
00:33:50,389 --> 00:33:49,039
um i think it was built in 1903 or 1908

822
00:33:52,789 --> 00:33:50,399
i'm getting the

823
00:33:54,470 --> 00:33:52,799
getting it mixed up there and it was

824
00:33:56,549 --> 00:33:54,480
just you know

825
00:33:59,269 --> 00:33:56,559
superficially it's supposed to just

826
00:34:02,470 --> 00:33:59,279
represent you know uh the the

827
00:34:04,149 --> 00:34:02,480
the the civic ideal and some one might

828
00:34:05,509 --> 00:34:04,159
say industry

829
00:34:08,149 --> 00:34:05,519
but

830
00:34:10,230 --> 00:34:08,159
you have what you have on this

831
00:34:11,829 --> 00:34:10,240
particular corner

832
00:34:12,710 --> 00:34:11,839
is um

833
00:34:13,829 --> 00:34:12,720
are

834
00:34:15,270 --> 00:34:13,839
three

835
00:34:16,550 --> 00:34:15,280
female

836
00:34:19,109 --> 00:34:16,560
figures

837
00:34:21,190 --> 00:34:19,119
the central one is the one that is the

838
00:34:22,950 --> 00:34:21,200
helmeted standing one

839
00:34:25,510 --> 00:34:22,960
and then there's one on each side of her

840
00:34:28,230 --> 00:34:25,520
and at her feet is the big is a big

841
00:34:29,430 --> 00:34:28,240
wheel like a gear wheel

842
00:34:30,869 --> 00:34:29,440
now

843
00:34:32,790 --> 00:34:30,879
saint catherine

844
00:34:35,510 --> 00:34:32,800
of alexandria is known as saint

845
00:34:36,790 --> 00:34:35,520
catherine of the wheel and this was one

846
00:34:38,550 --> 00:34:36,800
of the first things that led me to

847
00:34:42,310 --> 00:34:38,560
wonder hey isn't this hecate because

848
00:34:45,669 --> 00:34:42,320
hecate's very symbol is the wheel

849
00:34:48,710 --> 00:34:45,679
and and hecate is the triple aspect

850
00:34:51,510 --> 00:34:48,720
goddess and she's often depicted

851
00:34:54,069 --> 00:34:51,520
as three female figures so here you have

852
00:34:58,870 --> 00:34:54,079
the the three female figures with this

853
00:35:02,310 --> 00:35:00,710
that's uh what's interesting is on

854
00:35:04,870 --> 00:35:02,320
another corner the same building you've

855
00:35:06,710 --> 00:35:04,880
got the female figures but

856
00:35:08,550 --> 00:35:06,720
they don't have a wheel in front of them

857
00:35:10,550 --> 00:35:08,560
that's the only corner with the wheel

858
00:35:12,950 --> 00:35:10,560
now here's what's interesting

859
00:35:14,230 --> 00:35:12,960
the corner that that's on

860
00:35:18,069 --> 00:35:14,240
is where

861
00:35:20,630 --> 00:35:18,079
sasha reed my geomorphology analyst

862
00:35:24,470 --> 00:35:20,640
had prior to my d now now this is

863
00:35:25,349 --> 00:35:24,480
important prior to my discovery of

864
00:35:27,270 --> 00:35:25,359
this

865
00:35:30,150 --> 00:35:27,280
statuary on the building

866
00:35:32,790 --> 00:35:30,160
cesarea already provided me with a map

867
00:35:35,430 --> 00:35:32,800
that shows the intersection of several

868
00:35:36,790 --> 00:35:35,440
lines which look you know you draw a

869
00:35:38,710 --> 00:35:36,800
circle around the intersection and what

870
00:35:40,870 --> 00:35:38,720
do you got a spoked wheel

871
00:35:41,990 --> 00:35:40,880
the intersection of these lines

872
00:35:43,430 --> 00:35:42,000
um

873
00:35:46,150 --> 00:35:43,440
it's the biggest intersection of

874
00:35:48,230 --> 00:35:46,160
multiple lines in riverside is right

875
00:35:49,750 --> 00:35:48,240
there at that intersection that this

876
00:35:51,990 --> 00:35:49,760
statuary on the corner of the building

877
00:35:54,630 --> 00:35:52,000
is facing

878
00:35:55,349 --> 00:35:54,640
that and some other things right there

879
00:36:02,390 --> 00:35:55,359
i

880
00:36:04,870 --> 00:36:02,400
for those who see

881
00:36:06,230 --> 00:36:04,880
and understand now

882
00:36:08,230 --> 00:36:06,240
you know there's always going to be

883
00:36:10,069 --> 00:36:08,240
those people that i don't see it i don't

884
00:36:10,870 --> 00:36:10,079
i don't make the connection okay that's

885
00:36:12,710 --> 00:36:10,880
fine

886
00:36:14,310 --> 00:36:12,720
but those who what i mean by those who

887
00:36:15,990 --> 00:36:14,320
see and understand are if you know the

888
00:36:16,870 --> 00:36:16,000
hecate lore

889
00:36:18,550 --> 00:36:16,880
right

890
00:36:19,670 --> 00:36:18,560
you're going to see all of this stuff

891
00:36:21,430 --> 00:36:19,680
and you're going to recognize it

892
00:36:23,910 --> 00:36:21,440
immediately now

893
00:36:25,750 --> 00:36:23,920
golly it could be an accident or could

894
00:36:28,550 --> 00:36:25,760
it be that you know the people who

895
00:36:30,950 --> 00:36:28,560
design this stuff you know happen to

896
00:36:33,670 --> 00:36:30,960
be into this lore and maybe they

897
00:36:35,750 --> 00:36:33,680
understand you know how it works on the

898
00:36:37,510 --> 00:36:35,760
public psyche

899
00:36:40,390 --> 00:36:37,520
um

900
00:36:41,589 --> 00:36:40,400
now it's there for whatever reason i

901
00:36:43,589 --> 00:36:41,599
know that

902
00:36:45,510 --> 00:36:43,599
that there's a huge murder mystery

903
00:36:47,270 --> 00:36:45,520
that's that's in

904
00:36:50,150 --> 00:36:47,280
involved in this

905
00:36:51,750 --> 00:36:50,160
series and um

906
00:36:54,710 --> 00:36:51,760
can you talk a little bit about the

907
00:36:56,550 --> 00:36:54,720
murders uh and

908
00:36:57,750 --> 00:36:56,560
and then i have a couple questions uh

909
00:36:59,349 --> 00:36:57,760
about that

910
00:37:00,470 --> 00:36:59,359
sorry go ahead

911
00:37:01,430 --> 00:37:00,480
sure um

912
00:37:02,390 --> 00:37:01,440
in

913
00:37:04,390 --> 00:37:02,400
well

914
00:37:06,550 --> 00:37:04,400
all but one of them were in the uh

915
00:37:09,829 --> 00:37:06,560
autumn of 1915.

916
00:37:11,190 --> 00:37:09,839
the first i call them mysterious deaths

917
00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:11,200
because

918
00:37:13,910 --> 00:37:12,240
um

919
00:37:16,390 --> 00:37:13,920
they're

920
00:37:18,470 --> 00:37:16,400
publicly written about as suicides i i

921
00:37:20,150 --> 00:37:18,480
personally don't think that we were

922
00:37:23,109 --> 00:37:20,160
talking about suicides here of course

923
00:37:25,190 --> 00:37:23,119
and and we get into that in the books

924
00:37:26,390 --> 00:37:25,200
but the first mysterious death would

925
00:37:27,190 --> 00:37:26,400
have been

926
00:37:31,990 --> 00:37:27,200
um

927
00:37:33,990 --> 00:37:32,000
in probably august of 1915 but his body

928
00:37:35,510 --> 00:37:34,000
the remains were not found until

929
00:37:38,069 --> 00:37:35,520
november

930
00:37:40,630 --> 00:37:38,079
so that's what places him in the milieu

931
00:37:43,030 --> 00:37:40,640
of these strange these six other strange

932
00:37:46,230 --> 00:37:43,040
deaths that occurred within weeks or

933
00:37:49,030 --> 00:37:46,240
days of each other in 1915 the next one

934
00:37:52,550 --> 00:37:49,040
was in mid-october

935
00:37:55,109 --> 00:37:52,560
it was allegedly a boating accident on

936
00:37:57,750 --> 00:37:55,119
baldwin lake which is

937
00:38:01,910 --> 00:37:57,760
dry now and i think has been pretty

938
00:38:05,270 --> 00:38:01,920
thoroughly dry for a few decades i think

939
00:38:09,910 --> 00:38:05,280
and then the the remaining five

940
00:38:12,069 --> 00:38:09,920
uh two small children a 14 year old girl

941
00:38:14,710 --> 00:38:12,079
and two other adults those happened

942
00:38:18,069 --> 00:38:14,720
within just days of each other in some

943
00:38:19,430 --> 00:38:18,079
cases in just a few weeks span

944
00:38:22,790 --> 00:38:19,440
early

945
00:38:26,069 --> 00:38:22,800
december

946
00:38:29,910 --> 00:38:28,150
what were the apparent causes of those

947
00:38:31,430 --> 00:38:29,920
deaths did they say they were suicide

948
00:38:34,150 --> 00:38:31,440
also

949
00:38:36,310 --> 00:38:34,160
well the the the claim is that three of

950
00:38:39,109 --> 00:38:36,320
the adults the the woman found in the

951
00:38:40,950 --> 00:38:39,119
lake who was known as who was identified

952
00:38:44,950 --> 00:38:40,960
under the name cora stanton

953
00:38:48,230 --> 00:38:44,960
that she was a suicide the last death

954
00:38:50,630 --> 00:38:48,240
uh a man named percival braid from

955
00:38:51,829 --> 00:38:50,640
redlands was allegedly a suicide and the

956
00:38:54,390 --> 00:38:51,839
first death

957
00:38:56,870 --> 00:38:54,400
was allegedly of suicide the man on the

958
00:38:58,550 --> 00:38:56,880
lake was allegedly an accident

959
00:39:01,430 --> 00:38:58,560
what's interesting is

960
00:39:03,430 --> 00:39:01,440
the two small children

961
00:39:06,069 --> 00:39:03,440
were even identified as having been

962
00:39:08,310 --> 00:39:06,079
given poison candy but no perpetrator

963
00:39:11,190 --> 00:39:08,320
was identified the parents were cleared

964
00:39:13,109 --> 00:39:11,200
and the press at the time seemed more

965
00:39:15,030 --> 00:39:13,119
concerned about the suicidal woman in

966
00:39:17,190 --> 00:39:15,040
the lake than they were about the

967
00:39:19,670 --> 00:39:17,200
possibility that a man was running

968
00:39:21,190 --> 00:39:19,680
around giving children poison candy it's

969
00:39:23,829 --> 00:39:21,200
really strange when you read the

970
00:39:27,829 --> 00:39:23,839
newspaper articles and then the 14 year

971
00:39:29,829 --> 00:39:27,839
old she ate a piece of poisoned fruit

972
00:39:31,430 --> 00:39:29,839
the toxin they were never able to

973
00:39:34,310 --> 00:39:31,440
identify now some people would say well

974
00:39:37,589 --> 00:39:34,320
that's 1915. well i got news for you in

975
00:39:38,870 --> 00:39:37,599
1915 um forensic

976
00:39:43,589 --> 00:39:38,880
chemistry

977
00:39:47,270 --> 00:39:43,599
than people might assume

978
00:39:49,670 --> 00:39:47,280
it was in 1915 and poisoning was

979
00:39:52,790 --> 00:39:49,680
probably one of i think was the most

980
00:39:54,390 --> 00:39:52,800
popular method of murder back then

981
00:39:57,349 --> 00:39:54,400
the the fact is

982
00:40:00,630 --> 00:39:57,359
the labs back then could were very good

983
00:40:02,790 --> 00:40:00,640
at identifying toxins and poisons but

984
00:40:05,430 --> 00:40:02,800
the poison used

985
00:40:07,430 --> 00:40:05,440
to kill the 14 year old girl

986
00:40:10,150 --> 00:40:07,440
and the two small children

987
00:40:12,870 --> 00:40:10,160
went unidentified they they knew that it

988
00:40:15,109 --> 00:40:12,880
was a toxin in the candy and the fruit

989
00:40:16,390 --> 00:40:15,119
they knew that that's what killed these

990
00:40:17,990 --> 00:40:16,400
kids

991
00:40:19,670 --> 00:40:18,000
but they were unable to identify it it

992
00:40:21,270 --> 00:40:19,680
was one they had never encountered now

993
00:40:22,550 --> 00:40:21,280
the book goes into the implications of

994
00:40:24,710 --> 00:40:22,560
that

995
00:40:27,589 --> 00:40:24,720
and yeah i could see why you would tie

996
00:40:28,470 --> 00:40:27,599
in those three poisoning deaths and say

997
00:40:29,750 --> 00:40:28,480
okay

998
00:40:31,270 --> 00:40:29,760
these those

999
00:40:32,870 --> 00:40:31,280
these could have been linked in in

1000
00:40:33,589 --> 00:40:32,880
murder for sure

1001
00:40:35,990 --> 00:40:33,599
yeah

1002
00:40:37,430 --> 00:40:36,000
how did you connect the the other

1003
00:40:39,510 --> 00:40:37,440
murders

1004
00:40:43,349 --> 00:40:39,520
together and and what is it that you

1005
00:40:45,030 --> 00:40:43,359
actually uh started turning up that

1006
00:40:48,310 --> 00:40:45,040
that you think happened

1007
00:40:49,829 --> 00:40:48,320
well here's an accident suicide right

1008
00:40:53,109 --> 00:40:49,839
etc well

1009
00:40:55,190 --> 00:40:53,119
the uh the first victim was his remains

1010
00:40:58,470 --> 00:40:55,200
which were described mummified beyond

1011
00:41:00,470 --> 00:40:58,480
recognition and ghastly

1012
00:41:02,950 --> 00:41:00,480
he was found

1013
00:41:04,950 --> 00:41:02,960
kneeling on his knees with a bullet

1014
00:41:07,109 --> 00:41:04,960
wound through his head

1015
00:41:09,270 --> 00:41:07,119
and the gun

1016
00:41:13,589 --> 00:41:09,280
nearby

1017
00:41:15,750 --> 00:41:13,599
and um the last victim the man was also

1018
00:41:18,309 --> 00:41:15,760
he was found in his bed in his house in

1019
00:41:20,390 --> 00:41:18,319
redlands and he had allegedly shot

1020
00:41:22,950 --> 00:41:20,400
himself in the head

1021
00:41:24,790 --> 00:41:22,960
with a gun which by the way just a

1022
00:41:25,670 --> 00:41:24,800
couple of months before was known to

1023
00:41:28,230 --> 00:41:25,680
have been

1024
00:41:29,109 --> 00:41:28,240
in a police station

1025
00:41:31,829 --> 00:41:29,119
um

1026
00:41:33,270 --> 00:41:31,839
and had been used in a suicide prior to

1027
00:41:34,630 --> 00:41:33,280
his

1028
00:41:37,589 --> 00:41:34,640
um

1029
00:41:40,150 --> 00:41:37,599
so how did you get what's interesting

1030
00:41:42,230 --> 00:41:40,160
exactly well he he was a law student and

1031
00:41:43,829 --> 00:41:42,240
he was an accountant and such so he

1032
00:41:45,990 --> 00:41:43,839
might have had access to the office but

1033
00:41:47,910 --> 00:41:46,000
it's interesting that you know he

1034
00:41:49,750 --> 00:41:47,920
allegedly used the same gun on himself

1035
00:41:51,670 --> 00:41:49,760
there were other people in the house

1036
00:41:53,349 --> 00:41:51,680
when he shot himself in the head now

1037
00:41:56,069 --> 00:41:53,359
yeah they found a pillow over his head

1038
00:41:59,190 --> 00:41:56,079
but you know a gun report

1039
00:42:01,109 --> 00:41:59,200
you know it's merely under a pillow

1040
00:42:02,870 --> 00:42:01,119
it would be kind of odd that no one else

1041
00:42:06,230 --> 00:42:02,880
in the house heard it

1042
00:42:09,829 --> 00:42:08,230
the one thing that ties all the victims

1043
00:42:13,109 --> 00:42:09,839
together

1044
00:42:15,589 --> 00:42:13,119
is that their

1045
00:42:16,550 --> 00:42:15,599
their their deaths occurred

1046
00:42:19,589 --> 00:42:16,560
they were

1047
00:42:20,870 --> 00:42:19,599
they died in association with this

1048
00:42:22,630 --> 00:42:20,880
current

1049
00:42:25,430 --> 00:42:22,640
in other words there was there was there

1050
00:42:26,470 --> 00:42:25,440
were configurations or lines of telerik

1051
00:42:29,510 --> 00:42:26,480
current

1052
00:42:33,190 --> 00:42:29,520
going through the areas

1053
00:42:37,589 --> 00:42:36,069
um or where they died for instance you

1054
00:42:41,910 --> 00:42:37,599
know like the children of course they

1055
00:42:46,630 --> 00:42:44,630
and so there is there is this tuler

1056
00:42:49,190 --> 00:42:46,640
configuration this world grid energy

1057
00:42:50,870 --> 00:42:49,200
this earth energy that is directly

1058
00:42:52,230 --> 00:42:50,880
geographically associated with these

1059
00:42:54,309 --> 00:42:52,240
seven deaths

1060
00:42:55,990 --> 00:42:54,319
but what does that suggest to you then

1061
00:42:57,270 --> 00:42:56,000
in terms of you know if they were

1062
00:42:59,109 --> 00:42:57,280
murdered

1063
00:43:00,309 --> 00:42:59,119
sacrificial murder

1064
00:43:02,950 --> 00:43:00,319
are you saying that they were

1065
00:43:04,790 --> 00:43:02,960
specifically murdered at these locations

1066
00:43:07,750 --> 00:43:04,800
because

1067
00:43:09,190 --> 00:43:07,760
situation

1068
00:43:11,349 --> 00:43:09,200
yes

1069
00:43:12,550 --> 00:43:11,359
this is this is my

1070
00:43:15,510 --> 00:43:12,560
conclusion

1071
00:43:20,710 --> 00:43:18,390
and there is a chapter in the um first

1072
00:43:22,630 --> 00:43:20,720
empire of the wheel book that

1073
00:43:26,390 --> 00:43:22,640
that yes that was the case that these

1074
00:43:29,510 --> 00:43:26,400
were um these were sacrificial murders

1075
00:43:32,309 --> 00:43:29,520
oh so that's yeah i was thinking could

1076
00:43:35,190 --> 00:43:32,319
it be something really dark like that

1077
00:43:36,470 --> 00:43:35,200
now you know subsequent 50 years later

1078
00:43:37,510 --> 00:43:36,480
um

1079
00:43:39,990 --> 00:43:37,520
you know

1080
00:43:41,670 --> 00:43:40,000
rick and i in the first book like i had

1081
00:43:43,270 --> 00:43:41,680
a co-author on the first book with me um

1082
00:43:46,230 --> 00:43:43,280
richard spence

1083
00:43:49,990 --> 00:43:46,240
and um in that book we have a chapter on

1084
00:43:52,630 --> 00:43:50,000
the zodiac killer and i'm my i'm pretty

1085
00:43:54,470 --> 00:43:52,640
sure i believe we are the first that has

1086
00:43:56,550 --> 00:43:54,480
presented the evidence

1087
00:43:58,069 --> 00:43:56,560
that for the first time that ties all

1088
00:43:59,510 --> 00:43:58,079
the victims of the zodiac killer

1089
00:44:01,910 --> 00:43:59,520
together

1090
00:44:03,670 --> 00:44:01,920
and that is tiller current

1091
00:44:05,430 --> 00:44:03,680
all the victims

1092
00:44:08,150 --> 00:44:05,440
were either attacked or killed not all

1093
00:44:10,470 --> 00:44:08,160
of them died but were attacked or killed

1094
00:44:12,309 --> 00:44:10,480
in geographic

1095
00:44:15,030 --> 00:44:12,319
um

1096
00:44:16,150 --> 00:44:15,040
uh proximity you know either right on or

1097
00:44:17,670 --> 00:44:16,160
right there

1098
00:44:19,510 --> 00:44:17,680
at um

1099
00:44:22,069 --> 00:44:19,520
current the sites were on to lyric

1100
00:44:22,950 --> 00:44:22,079
current

1101
00:44:24,550 --> 00:44:22,960
now

1102
00:44:27,270 --> 00:44:24,560
what do you think that

1103
00:44:29,670 --> 00:44:27,280
was the reason for that

1104
00:44:31,270 --> 00:44:29,680
why would they obviously they

1105
00:44:33,190 --> 00:44:31,280
wanted to take advantage of some kind of

1106
00:44:35,670 --> 00:44:33,200
power that was there or

1107
00:44:38,870 --> 00:44:35,680
well as we say in the first book yes

1108
00:44:41,589 --> 00:44:38,880
absolutely they were one in

1109
00:44:44,069 --> 00:44:41,599
the uh system as it were

1110
00:44:46,710 --> 00:44:44,079
and the book gets into

1111
00:44:49,349 --> 00:44:46,720
you know the possible whys

1112
00:44:51,750 --> 00:44:49,359
we think that there was something to do

1113
00:44:54,309 --> 00:44:51,760
with hecate veneration

1114
00:44:56,550 --> 00:44:54,319
but we're very clear that uh this is

1115
00:44:59,190 --> 00:44:56,560
something that we doubt hecate would

1116
00:45:03,109 --> 00:45:00,630
so to speak

1117
00:45:04,390 --> 00:45:03,119
i when i went into this hecate was the

1118
00:45:06,950 --> 00:45:04,400
dark

1119
00:45:08,630 --> 00:45:06,960
you know um evil demon goddess of

1120
00:45:11,190 --> 00:45:08,640
witches

1121
00:45:12,790 --> 00:45:11,200
i will tell you that since 2007 this is

1122
00:45:14,710 --> 00:45:12,800
2015

1123
00:45:17,190 --> 00:45:14,720
my opinion of hecate

1124
00:45:18,950 --> 00:45:17,200
changed greatly

1125
00:45:21,270 --> 00:45:18,960
um the deeper

1126
00:45:22,630 --> 00:45:21,280
i investigated and the farther i went

1127
00:45:23,589 --> 00:45:22,640
into this whole

1128
00:45:25,670 --> 00:45:23,599
thing

1129
00:45:28,390 --> 00:45:25,680
i have a com

1130
00:45:30,069 --> 00:45:28,400
quite a different opinion of hecate i

1131
00:45:32,150 --> 00:45:30,079
primarily the way i like to describe it

1132
00:45:34,870 --> 00:45:32,160
is hecka tastes like a electricity

1133
00:45:37,589 --> 00:45:34,880
excuse me hecate is like electricity

1134
00:45:39,670 --> 00:45:37,599
electricity is now it can do great

1135
00:45:41,510 --> 00:45:39,680
wonderful things or it can kill you if

1136
00:45:45,750 --> 00:45:41,520
mishandled

1137
00:45:48,150 --> 00:45:45,760
yeah and um that's kind of the way i see

1138
00:45:49,990 --> 00:45:48,160
aspects of her

1139
00:45:52,390 --> 00:45:50,000
um

1140
00:45:55,750 --> 00:45:52,400
you know but yeah definitely

1141
00:45:58,309 --> 00:45:55,760
i think that there was some

1142
00:46:01,349 --> 00:45:58,319
with with this 1915 situation there was

1143
00:46:07,190 --> 00:46:01,359
there was something hecate going on

1144
00:46:10,870 --> 00:46:09,030
and who were who do you think the

1145
00:46:12,309 --> 00:46:10,880
perpetrators were

1146
00:46:15,829 --> 00:46:12,319
the

1147
00:46:17,349 --> 00:46:15,839
first suspects on my list

1148
00:46:19,750 --> 00:46:17,359
would have been affiliated with the

1149
00:46:21,910 --> 00:46:19,760
spiritualist temple in san bernardino

1150
00:46:23,750 --> 00:46:21,920
which at the time it well it was the

1151
00:46:25,270 --> 00:46:23,760
first spiritualist temple in the state

1152
00:46:27,270 --> 00:46:25,280
of california

1153
00:46:30,069 --> 00:46:27,280
it was highly respected among

1154
00:46:32,069 --> 00:46:30,079
spiritualists in the early 20th century

1155
00:46:34,470 --> 00:46:32,079
and

1156
00:46:35,990 --> 00:46:34,480
the book spells out all the evidence as

1157
00:46:37,910 --> 00:46:36,000
to why

1158
00:46:39,589 --> 00:46:37,920
we put the spiritualists at the top of

1159
00:46:41,190 --> 00:46:39,599
the suspect list now when i say

1160
00:46:42,550 --> 00:46:41,200
spiritualists i don't mean the temple

1161
00:46:45,270 --> 00:46:42,560
got together and said we're going to do

1162
00:46:48,309 --> 00:46:45,280
this but there was somebody who was in

1163
00:46:50,550 --> 00:46:48,319
the spiritualist ranks and probably a

1164
00:46:52,550 --> 00:46:50,560
member of that particular temple

1165
00:46:53,990 --> 00:46:52,560
that were the perpetrators

1166
00:46:59,109 --> 00:46:54,000
involved with or

1167
00:47:03,430 --> 00:47:00,950
and

1168
00:47:05,510 --> 00:47:03,440
how did you um

1169
00:47:08,390 --> 00:47:05,520
tie these particular

1170
00:47:10,390 --> 00:47:08,400
crimes together was it

1171
00:47:11,990 --> 00:47:10,400
did you first you know obviously

1172
00:47:15,349 --> 00:47:12,000
recognize a pattern with these

1173
00:47:17,910 --> 00:47:15,359
poisonings and then you go further out

1174
00:47:19,990 --> 00:47:17,920
and and start looking at other other

1175
00:47:21,030 --> 00:47:20,000
deaths other mysterious things that

1176
00:47:22,870 --> 00:47:21,040
happened

1177
00:47:25,670 --> 00:47:22,880
well i should also mention i've

1178
00:47:28,790 --> 00:47:25,680
forgotten to give the details um because

1179
00:47:30,790 --> 00:47:28,800
the woman who is the belle of the ball

1180
00:47:33,589 --> 00:47:30,800
the star of the show

1181
00:47:35,750 --> 00:47:33,599
who was identified as stanton

1182
00:47:38,309 --> 00:47:35,760
she was found drowned

1183
00:47:40,790 --> 00:47:38,319
and poisoned so you had three children

1184
00:47:41,589 --> 00:47:40,800
and a woman who were poisoned

1185
00:47:44,470 --> 00:47:41,599
and

1186
00:47:46,550 --> 00:47:44,480
her death was deemed a suicide

1187
00:47:48,069 --> 00:47:46,560
about as quickly as they possibly could

1188
00:47:50,470 --> 00:47:48,079
do that

1189
00:47:52,230 --> 00:47:50,480
before a suicide note was found but

1190
00:47:54,390 --> 00:47:52,240
basically to answer your question what

1191
00:47:56,390 --> 00:47:54,400
happened was um

1192
00:47:58,630 --> 00:47:56,400
i had been

1193
00:48:01,190 --> 00:47:58,640
doing some follow-up research on my

1194
00:48:04,309 --> 00:48:01,200
disneyland book latitude 33

1195
00:48:06,870 --> 00:48:04,319
and i was looking for stories of strange

1196
00:48:09,190 --> 00:48:06,880
stuff associated with the the ley lines

1197
00:48:11,510 --> 00:48:09,200
the energy and i found a story about a

1198
00:48:12,790 --> 00:48:11,520
haunting at the inland center mall which

1199
00:48:14,470 --> 00:48:12,800
is there now and has been there since

1200
00:48:16,550 --> 00:48:14,480
1967.

1201
00:48:18,470 --> 00:48:16,560
and i found a ghost story

1202
00:48:21,190 --> 00:48:18,480
associated with that and the woman who

1203
00:48:23,990 --> 00:48:21,200
had posted it is a librarian here in

1204
00:48:25,990 --> 00:48:24,000
town her name is ann walker

1205
00:48:28,150 --> 00:48:26,000
and i went to see her about this ghost

1206
00:48:30,470 --> 00:48:28,160
story and she is the one who introduced

1207
00:48:31,670 --> 00:48:30,480
me to the mysterious case of cora

1208
00:48:33,589 --> 00:48:31,680
stanton

1209
00:48:35,270 --> 00:48:33,599
well i went she said you go look at the

1210
00:48:37,910 --> 00:48:35,280
newspaper articles it's in there it's

1211
00:48:40,470 --> 00:48:37,920
weird so i went to look at the core

1212
00:48:42,549 --> 00:48:40,480
stanton case and what happened was

1213
00:48:44,549 --> 00:48:42,559
i'm looking through these papers and i'm

1214
00:48:46,230 --> 00:48:44,559
seeing wait a minute here's two little

1215
00:48:47,430 --> 00:48:46,240
children who were poisoned and there's a

1216
00:48:49,270 --> 00:48:47,440
big mystery

1217
00:48:51,349 --> 00:48:49,280
and then i see hey wait a minute here's

1218
00:48:53,030 --> 00:48:51,359
a 14 year old girl just some you know a

1219
00:48:55,670 --> 00:48:53,040
couple weeks later who's poisoned and

1220
00:48:57,270 --> 00:48:55,680
it's a big mystery well gosh now you got

1221
00:48:59,589 --> 00:48:57,280
this guy who committed you know and one

1222
00:49:01,430 --> 00:48:59,599
thing it just all piled up now i'm

1223
00:49:03,109 --> 00:49:01,440
looking at this um

1224
00:49:04,549 --> 00:49:03,119
from the point of view of a you know a

1225
00:49:06,710 --> 00:49:04,559
professional you know being a

1226
00:49:09,109 --> 00:49:06,720
professional criminal investigator and

1227
00:49:11,430 --> 00:49:09,119
it's not adding up you know the

1228
00:49:14,390 --> 00:49:11,440
what the newspapers are saying you know

1229
00:49:16,470 --> 00:49:14,400
to my mind i'm saying oh wait a minute

1230
00:49:17,430 --> 00:49:16,480
they had a serial killer on the loose

1231
00:49:19,190 --> 00:49:17,440
here

1232
00:49:21,270 --> 00:49:19,200
and they didn't know it and what's

1233
00:49:23,750 --> 00:49:21,280
interesting is this is you know how many

1234
00:49:25,030 --> 00:49:23,760
years after jack the ripper and you know

1235
00:49:26,710 --> 00:49:25,040
some of the other stuff you would have

1236
00:49:28,630 --> 00:49:26,720
thought they would have you know might

1237
00:49:30,470 --> 00:49:28,640
have considered that

1238
00:49:32,069 --> 00:49:30,480
but of course you know there's nothing

1239
00:49:33,270 --> 00:49:32,079
in the papers of the day that indicate

1240
00:49:34,309 --> 00:49:33,280
that that's what they were thinking

1241
00:49:35,589 --> 00:49:34,319
about

1242
00:49:37,190 --> 00:49:35,599
so

1243
00:49:41,030 --> 00:49:37,200
that got my attention from that

1244
00:49:44,390 --> 00:49:41,040
perspective and then when i did

1245
00:49:46,950 --> 00:49:44,400
the the the ley line research

1246
00:49:49,829 --> 00:49:46,960
that's what really blew me away because

1247
00:49:51,750 --> 00:49:49,839
what i did was i had my geomorphology

1248
00:49:52,790 --> 00:49:51,760
guide without telling him about this

1249
00:49:56,390 --> 00:49:52,800
data

1250
00:49:58,470 --> 00:49:56,400
about these victims i had him do a

1251
00:49:59,750 --> 00:49:58,480
map of the energy currents in san

1252
00:50:02,630 --> 00:49:59,760
bernardino

1253
00:50:04,630 --> 00:50:02,640
and then i cau i i took that map and

1254
00:50:07,349 --> 00:50:04,640
essentially la you know

1255
00:50:09,190 --> 00:50:07,359
laid the corresponding places associated

1256
00:50:10,790 --> 00:50:09,200
with these deaths

1257
00:50:12,870 --> 00:50:10,800
on that map

1258
00:50:15,030 --> 00:50:12,880
and they matched and when i say they

1259
00:50:16,150 --> 00:50:15,040
match they connected

1260
00:50:18,069 --> 00:50:16,160
to

1261
00:50:20,710 --> 00:50:18,079
this current and that was kind of

1262
00:50:22,790 --> 00:50:20,720
shocking um

1263
00:50:24,549 --> 00:50:22,800
and there you go i was off to the races

1264
00:50:27,510 --> 00:50:24,559
as they say

1265
00:50:29,349 --> 00:50:27,520
now i was investigating this for a year

1266
00:50:32,069 --> 00:50:29,359
before i even considered writing about

1267
00:50:33,829 --> 00:50:32,079
it so i didn't this was this was

1268
00:50:36,069 --> 00:50:33,839
something that was

1269
00:50:37,270 --> 00:50:36,079
just a private investigation that i was

1270
00:50:39,430 --> 00:50:37,280
doing

1271
00:50:42,870 --> 00:50:39,440
and and it took me a while to decide to

1272
00:50:47,109 --> 00:50:44,230
well it's

1273
00:50:51,829 --> 00:50:47,119
it's really interesting now what

1274
00:50:54,309 --> 00:50:51,839
is the connection to uh aleister crowley

1275
00:50:55,510 --> 00:50:54,319
aleister crowley

1276
00:50:57,349 --> 00:50:55,520
excuse me

1277
00:50:58,710 --> 00:50:57,359
he had been

1278
00:51:01,349 --> 00:50:58,720
on

1279
00:51:03,670 --> 00:51:01,359
a trip from new york

1280
00:51:07,510 --> 00:51:03,680
to the western united states

1281
00:51:10,230 --> 00:51:07,520
and because of the war in mexico

1282
00:51:11,990 --> 00:51:10,240
the railroads the southernmost route of

1283
00:51:13,990 --> 00:51:12,000
the railroad that goes to the amer

1284
00:51:15,190 --> 00:51:14,000
america's southeast

1285
00:51:16,790 --> 00:51:15,200
they were

1286
00:51:21,910 --> 00:51:16,800
channeling

1287
00:51:24,150 --> 00:51:21,920
by rail from the west coast of the east

1288
00:51:25,510 --> 00:51:24,160
coast to the more northern route which

1289
00:51:27,910 --> 00:51:25,520
takes you through

1290
00:51:30,069 --> 00:51:27,920
northern arizona northern new mexico and

1291
00:51:32,950 --> 00:51:30,079
panhandle attacks and stuff like that

1292
00:51:35,030 --> 00:51:32,960
because of the war in mexico well

1293
00:51:37,589 --> 00:51:35,040
i was able because of railroad records i

1294
00:51:38,630 --> 00:51:37,599
was able to prove that aleister crowley

1295
00:51:40,390 --> 00:51:38,640
himself

1296
00:51:42,870 --> 00:51:40,400
had to have come through

1297
00:51:45,510 --> 00:51:42,880
san bernardino because

1298
00:51:48,150 --> 00:51:45,520
all the passenger railroad traffic going

1299
00:51:49,589 --> 00:51:48,160
from the west coast from california to

1300
00:51:52,630 --> 00:51:49,599
the east coast

1301
00:51:54,069 --> 00:51:52,640
would go through san bernardino anyway

1302
00:51:56,790 --> 00:51:54,079
okay now

1303
00:51:59,109 --> 00:51:56,800
when you have everybody that some of it

1304
00:52:00,309 --> 00:51:59,119
would go from san diego directly to

1305
00:52:01,750 --> 00:52:00,319
arizona

1306
00:52:03,670 --> 00:52:01,760
but most of it would go through san

1307
00:52:05,829 --> 00:52:03,680
bernardino because it was the major

1308
00:52:08,230 --> 00:52:05,839
railroad hub on the west coast in the

1309
00:52:10,150 --> 00:52:08,240
southwestern united states

1310
00:52:12,549 --> 00:52:10,160
that's what built the city up to begin

1311
00:52:16,069 --> 00:52:13,670
and

1312
00:52:19,349 --> 00:52:16,079
crowley had been in san diego

1313
00:52:21,510 --> 00:52:19,359
and he went back to washington dc

1314
00:52:24,069 --> 00:52:21,520
and his you know in his diaries it talks

1315
00:52:26,390 --> 00:52:24,079
about him being in san diego

1316
00:52:28,069 --> 00:52:26,400
you know having gone through uh past the

1317
00:52:30,549 --> 00:52:28,079
grand canyon area

1318
00:52:32,390 --> 00:52:30,559
and in order for him to do that

1319
00:52:34,950 --> 00:52:32,400
i went and looked at historical records

1320
00:52:36,710 --> 00:52:34,960
talked to a railroad

1321
00:52:38,950 --> 00:52:36,720
and was able to prove through those

1322
00:52:40,870 --> 00:52:38,960
means that crowley had to have gone

1323
00:52:44,549 --> 00:52:40,880
through san bernardino

1324
00:52:48,710 --> 00:52:44,559
um on this route and that was in

1325
00:52:50,549 --> 00:52:48,720
early november of 1915 just a few days

1326
00:52:53,430 --> 00:52:50,559
before the woman cora stanton was found

1327
00:52:57,349 --> 00:52:55,270
now there's no telling how long he

1328
00:53:00,069 --> 00:52:57,359
stayed in san bernardino and because of

1329
00:53:02,870 --> 00:53:00,079
being who he is and was the book goes

1330
00:53:03,990 --> 00:53:02,880
into the wise and wherefores as to

1331
00:53:05,190 --> 00:53:04,000
might he

1332
00:53:07,030 --> 00:53:05,200
have

1333
00:53:09,190 --> 00:53:07,040
you know come this way

1334
00:53:10,950 --> 00:53:09,200
for a you know a purpose associated with

1335
00:53:13,910 --> 00:53:10,960
san bernardino not so much the grand

1336
00:53:16,069 --> 00:53:13,920
canyon and the book gets into that now i

1337
00:53:17,910 --> 00:53:16,079
have people that tell me oh that's it

1338
00:53:19,270 --> 00:53:17,920
crowley did it he was involved he was

1339
00:53:21,270 --> 00:53:19,280
the man i have a really good friend

1340
00:53:22,790 --> 00:53:21,280
who's a researcher that gets angry with

1341
00:53:25,589 --> 00:53:22,800
me

1342
00:53:28,309 --> 00:53:25,599
when i tell him i'm sorry as a criminal

1343
00:53:29,670 --> 00:53:28,319
investigator i'm telling you crowley

1344
00:53:31,750 --> 00:53:29,680
hadn't

1345
00:53:33,589 --> 00:53:31,760
was not involved with these deaths and

1346
00:53:36,150 --> 00:53:33,599
he would have strongly disapproved of

1347
00:53:37,829 --> 00:53:36,160
them if i'm right about what they are he

1348
00:53:39,829 --> 00:53:37,839
would have strongly disapproved of them

1349
00:53:42,870 --> 00:53:39,839
but he went he came through

1350
00:53:45,430 --> 00:53:42,880
here why why do you think he i mean

1351
00:53:48,630 --> 00:53:45,440
that's a little bit too coincidental

1352
00:53:50,470 --> 00:53:48,640
i'm not saying he was involved but

1353
00:53:52,870 --> 00:53:50,480
it would almost seem like there there

1354
00:53:55,270 --> 00:53:52,880
might be some connection

1355
00:53:57,430 --> 00:53:55,280
between his being there and these things

1356
00:53:58,390 --> 00:53:57,440
happening whether it's somebody doing it

1357
00:54:04,069 --> 00:53:58,400
to

1358
00:54:07,190 --> 00:54:04,079
well remember this is 1915 aleister

1359
00:54:10,309 --> 00:54:07,200
crowley this isn't 1930 aleister crowley

1360
00:54:12,630 --> 00:54:10,319
or 1940 aleister crowley this is 1915

1361
00:54:15,109 --> 00:54:12,640
aleister crowley he was about 40 years

1362
00:54:16,790 --> 00:54:15,119
old he was known at that time just as

1363
00:54:19,109 --> 00:54:16,800
much if not more so as a mountain

1364
00:54:20,950 --> 00:54:19,119
climber and an adventurer you know and

1365
00:54:22,390 --> 00:54:20,960
and think about it in southern

1366
00:54:24,390 --> 00:54:22,400
california

1367
00:54:26,710 --> 00:54:24,400
you know wow um

1368
00:54:28,470 --> 00:54:26,720
yeah the only people i i

1369
00:54:30,230 --> 00:54:28,480
the people that would have known who you

1370
00:54:32,390 --> 00:54:30,240
know what he was really into and known a

1371
00:54:33,750 --> 00:54:32,400
lot about him you know

1372
00:54:36,309 --> 00:54:33,760
some of those probably would have been

1373
00:54:39,750 --> 00:54:36,319
in the spiritualist temple to be sure

1374
00:54:41,750 --> 00:54:39,760
but um i i think it's possible that

1375
00:54:43,430 --> 00:54:41,760
he might have been summoned there who

1376
00:54:45,190 --> 00:54:43,440
knows by the police

1377
00:54:47,670 --> 00:54:45,200
by the secret service

1378
00:54:50,309 --> 00:54:47,680
um because as the book goes into there

1379
00:54:52,950 --> 00:54:50,319
was some intelligence um national

1380
00:54:56,069 --> 00:54:52,960
security and world war one intrigues

1381
00:54:58,549 --> 00:54:56,079
going on um in the area during that time

1382
00:55:00,390 --> 00:54:58,559
that are involved in this because as

1383
00:55:03,750 --> 00:55:00,400
empire the wheel ii

1384
00:55:04,549 --> 00:55:03,760
goes into identifying who i believe is

1385
00:55:10,790 --> 00:55:04,559
the

1386
00:55:12,790 --> 00:55:10,800
it gets into uh her role as an

1387
00:55:15,349 --> 00:55:12,800
intelligence agent

1388
00:55:17,190 --> 00:55:15,359
for the us most likely oh boy there we

1389
00:55:18,710 --> 00:55:17,200
go back to the intelligence agencies

1390
00:55:20,790 --> 00:55:18,720
again

1391
00:55:21,990 --> 00:55:20,800
right oh well let me tell you the you

1392
00:55:23,510 --> 00:55:22,000
know the the

1393
00:55:25,510 --> 00:55:23,520
i don't know if i i mean you know if

1394
00:55:27,109 --> 00:55:25,520
people look at the description books

1395
00:55:29,430 --> 00:55:27,119
they probably already know but i

1396
00:55:33,190 --> 00:55:29,440
identify cora stanton as

1397
00:55:37,750 --> 00:55:36,069
and i i'm sorry you've lost me there at

1398
00:55:39,510 --> 00:55:37,760
a place

1399
00:55:41,349 --> 00:55:39,520
right okay well let me throw a couple

1400
00:55:43,190 --> 00:55:41,359
other names at you

1401
00:55:45,349 --> 00:55:43,200
butch cassidy and the sundance kid oh

1402
00:55:47,589 --> 00:55:45,359
well yeah okay oh

1403
00:55:49,190 --> 00:55:47,599
that edda okay

1404
00:55:51,349 --> 00:55:49,200
and i'll tell you another thing and it's

1405
00:55:52,870 --> 00:55:51,359
all in the book empire the wheel too and

1406
00:55:54,950 --> 00:55:52,880
part of it's an empire of the wheel one

1407
00:55:56,950 --> 00:55:54,960
let me tell you

1408
00:55:58,390 --> 00:55:56,960
um she was neither

1409
00:56:00,470 --> 00:55:58,400
sundances

1410
00:56:03,270 --> 00:56:00,480
nor butch's girlfriend

1411
00:56:06,870 --> 00:56:03,280
she was neither one of their wives

1412
00:56:09,349 --> 00:56:06,880
wife okay she was not a prostitute

1413
00:56:10,950 --> 00:56:09,359
from a saloon okay she might have been

1414
00:56:12,309 --> 00:56:10,960
working in that saloon but she was not a

1415
00:56:13,829 --> 00:56:12,319
prostitute

1416
00:56:16,390 --> 00:56:13,839
at a place

1417
00:56:17,510 --> 00:56:16,400
was a secular nun

1418
00:56:19,510 --> 00:56:17,520
oh wow

1419
00:56:21,829 --> 00:56:19,520
this is what i propose and i present all

1420
00:56:24,230 --> 00:56:21,839
the evidence for that um part of it is

1421
00:56:25,829 --> 00:56:24,240
presented in the first book but i make

1422
00:56:28,549 --> 00:56:25,839
that argument more strongly in the

1423
00:56:32,470 --> 00:56:28,559
second book oh my goodness you can learn

1424
00:56:35,190 --> 00:56:32,480
why and um i explain why her connection

1425
00:56:38,950 --> 00:56:35,200
with sundance was most likely a

1426
00:56:43,510 --> 00:56:38,960
professional partnership because he

1427
00:56:46,470 --> 00:56:43,520
was probably also a government agent

1428
00:56:48,309 --> 00:56:46,480
oh now it's getting interesting huh

1429
00:56:51,349 --> 00:56:48,319
please

1430
00:56:54,150 --> 00:56:51,359
now what agency would he have been

1431
00:56:56,230 --> 00:56:54,160
um he would have either been working for

1432
00:56:58,470 --> 00:56:56,240
the uh the

1433
00:56:59,990 --> 00:56:58,480
what eventually became the rcmp the

1434
00:57:00,950 --> 00:57:00,000
canadians the royal canadian mounted

1435
00:57:01,829 --> 00:57:00,960
police

1436
00:57:03,510 --> 00:57:01,839
um

1437
00:57:05,270 --> 00:57:03,520
and she would have been secret service

1438
00:57:06,870 --> 00:57:05,280
he might have also been secret service

1439
00:57:08,710 --> 00:57:06,880
by that time

1440
00:57:11,109 --> 00:57:08,720
um was there a secret service at that

1441
00:57:13,510 --> 00:57:11,119
time oh absolutely and guess what when

1442
00:57:15,270 --> 00:57:13,520
it came to there was no fbi

1443
00:57:16,549 --> 00:57:15,280
and here's the thing when it came to

1444
00:57:18,470 --> 00:57:16,559
counter intelligence and national

1445
00:57:21,030 --> 00:57:18,480
security the secret service was the only

1446
00:57:23,190 --> 00:57:21,040
federal game in town um the secret

1447
00:57:24,870 --> 00:57:23,200
service at that time did what the fbi

1448
00:57:27,349 --> 00:57:24,880
eventually took over and that was going

1449
00:57:28,870 --> 00:57:27,359
after spies they didn't just go they

1450
00:57:30,549 --> 00:57:28,880
didn't just protect the president and

1451
00:57:32,950 --> 00:57:30,559
they didn't just go after treasury

1452
00:57:35,430 --> 00:57:32,960
violations they were the main federal

1453
00:57:38,630 --> 00:57:35,440
agency for going after spies

1454
00:57:40,870 --> 00:57:38,640
and you had german agents and you had

1455
00:57:42,710 --> 00:57:40,880
east indian hindu

1456
00:57:43,670 --> 00:57:42,720
as they identified them as such back-end

1457
00:57:46,789 --> 00:57:43,680
agents

1458
00:57:49,430 --> 00:57:46,799
just all over california matter of fact

1459
00:57:51,430 --> 00:57:49,440
the most famous trial court trial in

1460
00:57:52,789 --> 00:57:51,440
california history i think even before

1461
00:57:55,030 --> 00:57:52,799
oj

1462
00:57:57,829 --> 00:57:55,040
get this i mean that tells you or i i

1463
00:58:01,750 --> 00:57:57,839
think the most expensive one relatively

1464
00:58:04,230 --> 00:58:01,760
uh up until modern times was a trial

1465
00:58:06,630 --> 00:58:04,240
um where they put some east indian

1466
00:58:08,950 --> 00:58:06,640
saboteurs who had been blowing up ships

1467
00:58:10,150 --> 00:58:08,960
in california harbors they put them on

1468
00:58:12,390 --> 00:58:10,160
trial they were committing acts of

1469
00:58:13,510 --> 00:58:12,400
terrorism in california

1470
00:58:15,990 --> 00:58:13,520
here's the interesting thing and the

1471
00:58:18,630 --> 00:58:16,000
book goes into the details but there was

1472
00:58:21,030 --> 00:58:18,640
this big thing called the german hindu

1473
00:58:23,910 --> 00:58:21,040
conspiracy germany and england as we

1474
00:58:24,630 --> 00:58:23,920
know in 1915 were at war in europe right

1475
00:58:26,630 --> 00:58:24,640
so

1476
00:58:30,630 --> 00:58:26,640
germany wanted to keep england busy on

1477
00:58:34,549 --> 00:58:30,640
two fronts so germany was selling guns

1478
00:58:36,470 --> 00:58:34,559
to um indian rebels in burma

1479
00:58:39,430 --> 00:58:36,480
so they and they were supplying these

1480
00:58:41,030 --> 00:58:39,440
guns um via through the united states

1481
00:58:42,789 --> 00:58:41,040
they would bring them up into texas

1482
00:58:46,390 --> 00:58:42,799
through the gulf they would put them on

1483
00:58:48,150 --> 00:58:46,400
trains take them west to california in

1484
00:58:50,150 --> 00:58:48,160
southern california which meant they had

1485
00:58:51,670 --> 00:58:50,160
to come to san bernardino and they would

1486
00:58:53,589 --> 00:58:51,680
ship them on to san diego where they

1487
00:58:55,829 --> 00:58:53,599
were being put on boats and sailed

1488
00:58:58,150 --> 00:58:55,839
across the pacific to burma to be given

1489
00:59:00,069 --> 00:58:58,160
to terrorists and revolutionaries in

1490
00:59:02,230 --> 00:59:00,079
india to give the british a hard time

1491
00:59:04,630 --> 00:59:02,240
over there now we know this because a

1492
00:59:06,789 --> 00:59:04,640
ship called the annie larson was

1493
00:59:07,670 --> 00:59:06,799
captured off of san diego doing just

1494
00:59:09,829 --> 00:59:07,680
that

1495
00:59:11,829 --> 00:59:09,839
this is all documented history so you

1496
00:59:13,829 --> 00:59:11,839
had all this intelligence injury going

1497
00:59:16,150 --> 00:59:13,839
on around all this stuff and there in

1498
00:59:18,710 --> 00:59:16,160
the middle of it was the legendary at a

1499
00:59:21,910 --> 00:59:21,109
and she was quite

1500
00:59:25,910 --> 00:59:21,920
wow

1501
00:59:28,230 --> 00:59:25,920
she's the star of the show oh yeah

1502
00:59:31,750 --> 00:59:28,240
that's really wild you know it's time to

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00:59:34,230 --> 00:59:31,760
take another break so we are going to be

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00:59:36,069 --> 00:59:34,240
gone for just a couple minutes and then

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00:59:38,150 --> 00:59:36,079
we'll be back with my guest walter

1506
00:59:40,410 --> 00:59:38,160
bosley hope you'll stay tuned we'll be

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00:59:50,230 --> 00:59:40,420
right back

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01:03:52,630 --> 01:03:49,589
welcome back you're listening to night

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01:03:55,829 --> 01:03:52,640
vision radio i'm renee barnett with me

1577
01:03:58,230 --> 01:03:55,839
tonight is walter bosley he is the

1578
01:04:00,630 --> 01:03:58,240
author of a series of books called

1579
01:04:01,750 --> 01:04:00,640
empire of the wheel uh in other books

1580
01:04:04,069 --> 01:04:01,760
too which we're going to get into in

1581
01:04:06,309 --> 01:04:04,079
just just a moment but before we get

1582
01:04:08,309 --> 01:04:06,319
into some of the other uh things i know

1583
01:04:09,589 --> 01:04:08,319
there's a really interesting book that

1584
01:04:10,549 --> 01:04:09,599
you did on

1585
01:04:12,870 --> 01:04:10,559
uh

1586
01:04:16,069 --> 01:04:12,880
disneyland and sort of some occult

1587
01:04:18,069 --> 01:04:16,079
secrets there um but before we do that

1588
01:04:21,109 --> 01:04:18,079
empire of the wheel can you explain to

1589
01:04:22,710 --> 01:04:21,119
us uh i know you've

1590
01:04:25,750 --> 01:04:22,720
you've mentioned the the you know

1591
01:04:28,230 --> 01:04:25,760
katherine in the wheel connection but is

1592
01:04:31,190 --> 01:04:28,240
uh how did you choose that name and what

1593
01:04:32,069 --> 01:04:31,200
is empire of the wheel it's very simple

1594
01:04:35,190 --> 01:04:32,079
the

1595
01:04:36,390 --> 01:04:35,200
san bernardino valley and riverside area

1596
01:04:38,549 --> 01:04:36,400
um

1597
01:04:40,470 --> 01:04:38,559
is really uh the heart of what's known

1598
01:04:43,670 --> 01:04:40,480
as the inland empire

1599
01:04:44,789 --> 01:04:43,680
of southern california and because this

1600
01:04:47,430 --> 01:04:44,799
stuff

1601
01:04:48,789 --> 01:04:47,440
um you know hecate is in the middle of

1602
01:04:51,430 --> 01:04:48,799
all this stuff and her symbols of the

1603
01:04:52,950 --> 01:04:51,440
wheel i just simply called it empire of

1604
01:04:55,349 --> 01:04:52,960
the wheel

1605
01:04:57,109 --> 01:04:55,359
oh that's really interesting

1606
01:05:00,630 --> 01:04:57,119
that's good i didn't know whether that

1607
01:05:05,510 --> 01:05:00,640
was some sort of like secret society

1608
01:05:09,750 --> 01:05:07,670
and it's it's not the rotary club either

1609
01:05:13,910 --> 01:05:09,760
no

1610
01:05:15,750 --> 01:05:13,920
written also a book

1611
01:05:17,029 --> 01:05:15,760
about disneyland

1612
01:05:18,710 --> 01:05:17,039
um

1613
01:05:20,069 --> 01:05:18,720
and also how do we get your books before

1614
01:05:21,510 --> 01:05:20,079
we go any further because i know we're

1615
01:05:22,950 --> 01:05:21,520
going to run out of time before we get

1616
01:05:25,190 --> 01:05:22,960
that in if i don't

1617
01:05:27,829 --> 01:05:25,200
stop there right they're all at amazon

1618
01:05:30,470 --> 01:05:27,839
on kindle which remind everybody or if

1619
01:05:32,309 --> 01:05:30,480
you don't know amazon gives the kindle

1620
01:05:33,829 --> 01:05:32,319
app away for free you do not have to

1621
01:05:36,230 --> 01:05:33,839
have a kindle device just go there and

1622
01:05:38,230 --> 01:05:36,240
download the app on any device that you

1623
01:05:40,470 --> 01:05:38,240
prefer and then you can buy and read

1624
01:05:45,349 --> 01:05:40,480
kindle books or they're available in

1625
01:05:47,589 --> 01:05:45,359
print at lulu.com lulu.com

1626
01:05:49,430 --> 01:05:47,599
lulu.com okay we'll definitely check

1627
01:05:53,029 --> 01:05:49,440
those out i know i'm going to

1628
01:05:55,430 --> 01:05:53,039
now um the book on disneyland uh

1629
01:05:57,589 --> 01:05:55,440
how in the world did that come into

1630
01:05:59,349 --> 01:05:57,599
being and can you share with us just a

1631
01:06:00,710 --> 01:05:59,359
few of the things that you turned up in

1632
01:06:03,670 --> 01:06:00,720
your book because we want everybody to

1633
01:06:05,190 --> 01:06:03,680
read it sure and that one predates all

1634
01:06:06,870 --> 01:06:05,200
the empire of the wheel investigation

1635
01:06:08,230 --> 01:06:06,880
because as i said earlier

1636
01:06:09,750 --> 01:06:08,240
when i discovered the core stanton

1637
01:06:11,750 --> 01:06:09,760
mystery i was actually doing some

1638
01:06:13,510 --> 01:06:11,760
follow-up on the disneyland research by

1639
01:06:15,829 --> 01:06:13,520
by following the ley lines out of

1640
01:06:17,270 --> 01:06:15,839
disneyland across southern california

1641
01:06:19,190 --> 01:06:17,280
the energy lines

1642
01:06:21,670 --> 01:06:19,200
and that led me to the ghost story to

1643
01:06:23,750 --> 01:06:21,680
inland center but i had

1644
01:06:26,309 --> 01:06:23,760
um

1645
01:06:27,750 --> 01:06:26,319
it it actually that book got its start

1646
01:06:30,069 --> 01:06:27,760
on um

1647
01:06:32,230 --> 01:06:30,079
a mutual friend of ours greg bishop on

1648
01:06:33,750 --> 01:06:32,240
his show radio mysterio so we were

1649
01:06:36,150 --> 01:06:33,760
sitting there one night and

1650
01:06:38,710 --> 01:06:36,160
using on things and the subject of club

1651
01:06:41,109 --> 01:06:38,720
33 at disneyland came up

1652
01:06:43,430 --> 01:06:41,119
yeah and it's an exclusive restaurant

1653
01:06:45,510 --> 01:06:43,440
kind of uh situation there

1654
01:06:47,910 --> 01:06:45,520
and you know we wondered well golly why

1655
01:06:49,829 --> 01:06:47,920
did they call that club 33 and in our

1656
01:06:52,789 --> 01:06:49,839
research on air we discovered that

1657
01:06:53,910 --> 01:06:52,799
disneyland is literally at latitude

1658
01:06:55,270 --> 01:06:53,920
three three

1659
01:06:57,109 --> 01:06:55,280
it's either eight

1660
01:06:58,390 --> 01:06:57,119
one one eight or one eight eight one

1661
01:07:01,029 --> 01:06:58,400
something like that

1662
01:07:02,150 --> 01:07:01,039
and we thought well gosh we wonder if

1663
01:07:03,990 --> 01:07:02,160
you know

1664
01:07:06,549 --> 01:07:04,000
i wonder if there's something to that

1665
01:07:09,829 --> 01:07:06,559
and then i looked into it deeper and

1666
01:07:12,309 --> 01:07:09,839
discovered that a man named um cornelius

1667
01:07:14,390 --> 01:07:12,319
vanderbilt woods tv wood

1668
01:07:15,829 --> 01:07:14,400
had actually been the engineer who

1669
01:07:17,910 --> 01:07:15,839
designed and

1670
01:07:19,270 --> 01:07:17,920
led the building of physical disneyland

1671
01:07:22,789 --> 01:07:19,280
as we know it

1672
01:07:24,190 --> 01:07:22,799
and the disney's had hired him from

1673
01:07:27,109 --> 01:07:24,200
the legendary

1674
01:07:28,870 --> 01:07:27,119
sri stanford research institute the same

1675
01:07:31,430 --> 01:07:28,880
guys that brought us remote viewing and

1676
01:07:33,829 --> 01:07:31,440
other interesting things yeah

1677
01:07:34,870 --> 01:07:33,839
and one thing led to another in

1678
01:07:37,589 --> 01:07:34,880
weirdness

1679
01:07:38,549 --> 01:07:37,599
um not the least of which was the reason

1680
01:07:43,190 --> 01:07:38,559
we

1681
01:07:45,829 --> 01:07:43,200
was because i had had a very

1682
01:07:50,309 --> 01:07:45,839
strange and interesting experience at

1683
01:07:53,910 --> 01:07:51,430
that

1684
01:07:56,549 --> 01:07:53,920
had stayed with me for years

1685
01:07:59,510 --> 01:07:56,559
and led me to even learning about the

1686
01:08:02,950 --> 01:07:59,520
original ley line so to speak research

1687
01:08:04,549 --> 01:08:02,960
done by a man named alfred watkins

1688
01:08:07,670 --> 01:08:04,559
and so

1689
01:08:09,270 --> 01:08:07,680
with that experience and with

1690
01:08:11,670 --> 01:08:09,280
and that's all outlined that's all

1691
01:08:13,670 --> 01:08:11,680
discussed in the book latitude 33 key to

1692
01:08:15,829 --> 01:08:13,680
the kingdom and with but with that

1693
01:08:17,990 --> 01:08:15,839
experience and then with

1694
01:08:20,229 --> 01:08:18,000
this discussion with greg bishop and the

1695
01:08:22,229 --> 01:08:20,239
follow-up research i decided wow you

1696
01:08:23,990 --> 01:08:22,239
know there's there's a book here i mean

1697
01:08:27,110 --> 01:08:24,000
there's enough here that i'm finding

1698
01:08:28,550 --> 01:08:27,120
about disneyland and um

1699
01:08:32,070 --> 01:08:28,560
this stuff

1700
01:08:33,910 --> 01:08:32,080
this esoteric stuff that we love so much

1701
01:08:37,110 --> 01:08:33,920
that uh yeah i gotta write about this i

1702
01:08:39,030 --> 01:08:37,120
gotta get this down and so

1703
01:08:40,470 --> 01:08:39,040
there it is um

1704
01:08:42,870 --> 01:08:40,480
now what do you think

1705
01:08:44,870 --> 01:08:42,880
you know the club 33 i've never had the

1706
01:08:46,229 --> 01:08:44,880
pleasure of being there i have i've

1707
01:08:47,990 --> 01:08:46,239
never had the money

1708
01:08:49,430 --> 01:08:48,000
yeah i've had friends that have gone

1709
01:08:52,149 --> 01:08:49,440
there is that what it takes is just

1710
01:08:54,390 --> 01:08:52,159
money or uh yeah uh basically it's an

1711
01:08:56,309 --> 01:08:54,400
exclusive thing um you know you pay a

1712
01:08:58,630 --> 01:08:56,319
membership there's a waiting list to be

1713
01:09:00,789 --> 01:08:58,640
a member of club 33 my understanding is

1714
01:09:03,910 --> 01:09:00,799
it's the only place at disneyland where

1715
01:09:05,829 --> 01:09:03,920
you can have alcohol with a meal and

1716
01:09:07,349 --> 01:09:05,839
it's just a little exclusive restaurant

1717
01:09:09,590 --> 01:09:07,359
i think there's um

1718
01:09:11,829 --> 01:09:09,600
really cool disney um

1719
01:09:13,910 --> 01:09:11,839
arcana and stuff on the walls and yeah

1720
01:09:16,149 --> 01:09:13,920
yeah i've never been inside the place i

1721
01:09:18,789 --> 01:09:16,159
mean for years you could they never even

1722
01:09:20,390 --> 01:09:18,799
showed a picture inside of it um but you

1723
01:09:22,070 --> 01:09:20,400
know it's just kind of a

1724
01:09:23,990 --> 01:09:22,080
and and think about it it's probably

1725
01:09:25,990 --> 01:09:24,000
something that you know was put in there

1726
01:09:27,189 --> 01:09:26,000
so that when celebrities you know came

1727
01:09:28,149 --> 01:09:27,199
to the park or whatever they could have

1728
01:09:30,309 --> 01:09:28,159
a place

1729
01:09:32,390 --> 01:09:30,319
you know vips or whatever you know they

1730
01:09:34,550 --> 01:09:32,400
could have a place to go and you know

1731
01:09:36,789 --> 01:09:34,560
not be surrounded by us common folk oh

1732
01:09:38,550 --> 01:09:36,799
yeah we wouldn't want that and it's

1733
01:09:40,630 --> 01:09:38,560
location is right there

1734
01:09:42,630 --> 01:09:40,640
in uh new orleans square just a couple

1735
01:09:44,470 --> 01:09:42,640
doors down it's right next to the exit

1736
01:09:47,349 --> 01:09:44,480
of pirates of the caribbean it's just a

1737
01:09:50,390 --> 01:09:47,359
plain door with a nice fancy plate that

1738
01:09:51,910 --> 01:09:50,400
says you know has the number 33

1739
01:09:53,189 --> 01:09:51,920
and it's got a slot and apparently you

1740
01:09:55,030 --> 01:09:53,199
put your membership card through there

1741
01:09:56,870 --> 01:09:55,040
and they open the door for you

1742
01:09:59,270 --> 01:09:56,880
you know you just go in and

1743
01:10:01,430 --> 01:09:59,280
have your meal and relax and

1744
01:10:03,189 --> 01:10:01,440
you know that's it there's really

1745
01:10:06,149 --> 01:10:03,199
nothing sinister

1746
01:10:08,630 --> 01:10:06,159
yeah overly arcane about it i had a i

1747
01:10:10,470 --> 01:10:08,640
have a friend who has been there fairly

1748
01:10:12,870 --> 01:10:10,480
recently he actually posted some

1749
01:10:14,870 --> 01:10:12,880
pictures on facebook i wonder if he was

1750
01:10:17,350 --> 01:10:14,880
taking them surreptitiously

1751
01:10:19,430 --> 01:10:17,360
suspiciously not not supposed to be

1752
01:10:21,830 --> 01:10:19,440
doing that i don't know oh he took

1753
01:10:23,510 --> 01:10:21,840
photos of club 33 oh that's cool yeah

1754
01:10:24,709 --> 01:10:23,520
he'd be posting them on his facebook

1755
01:10:27,110 --> 01:10:24,719
page

1756
01:10:30,149 --> 01:10:27,120
yeah i'll send them to you cool

1757
01:10:32,229 --> 01:10:30,159
okay so but um yeah it it's just one

1758
01:10:33,830 --> 01:10:32,239
thing led to another and like i said i

1759
01:10:36,070 --> 01:10:33,840
talk about what the personal experience

1760
01:10:37,669 --> 01:10:36,080
was with an old man named alfred

1761
01:10:39,830 --> 01:10:37,679
there's a hint for you i talked about

1762
01:10:41,030 --> 01:10:39,840
alfred watkins what do you read about it

1763
01:10:42,149 --> 01:10:41,040
in the book

1764
01:10:44,550 --> 01:10:42,159
um

1765
01:10:46,630 --> 01:10:44,560
and it's uh

1766
01:10:48,310 --> 01:10:46,640
it's uh

1767
01:10:50,470 --> 01:10:48,320
it's just a whole interesting way of

1768
01:10:51,350 --> 01:10:50,480
looking at the park that

1769
01:10:55,350 --> 01:10:51,360
you know

1770
01:10:57,510 --> 01:10:55,360
and didn't i did walt disney um

1771
01:11:00,149 --> 01:10:57,520
have anything to do with with this or i

1772
01:11:02,149 --> 01:11:00,159
mean you always hear you know conspiracy

1773
01:11:04,229 --> 01:11:02,159
theories about walt disney when you hear

1774
01:11:06,550 --> 01:11:04,239
this all this stuff that he was amazing

1775
01:11:10,229 --> 01:11:06,560
he was a free medicine yeah my research

1776
01:11:12,950 --> 01:11:10,239
showed that he was not in any lodge

1777
01:11:15,350 --> 01:11:12,960
um that any you know masonic authority i

1778
01:11:19,030 --> 01:11:15,360
went to could identify or anyone's ever

1779
01:11:21,669 --> 01:11:19,040
been able to identify he was in demolay

1780
01:11:24,950 --> 01:11:21,679
when he was in high school

1781
01:11:27,830 --> 01:11:24,960
now demolay of course is a masonic

1782
01:11:30,310 --> 01:11:27,840
sponsored youth organization yeah but he

1783
01:11:33,110 --> 01:11:30,320
never entered a lodge in adulthood and

1784
01:11:35,990 --> 01:11:33,120
you know um

1785
01:11:37,669 --> 01:11:36,000
and and and really you know walt was the

1786
01:11:39,590 --> 01:11:37,679
people that i know that encountered him

1787
01:11:41,189 --> 01:11:39,600
personally they'll tell you he liked to

1788
01:11:44,229 --> 01:11:41,199
smoke he liked to drink and he liked to

1789
01:11:45,110 --> 01:11:44,239
cuss like a sailor but you know walt

1790
01:11:47,510 --> 01:11:45,120
doing

1791
01:11:49,110 --> 01:11:47,520
rituals and all this stuff

1792
01:11:50,870 --> 01:11:49,120
i personally find

1793
01:11:53,590 --> 01:11:50,880
ridiculous

1794
01:11:56,390 --> 01:11:53,600
yeah probably somebody did just make

1795
01:11:58,709 --> 01:11:56,400
that up of the demolay cloth

1796
01:12:00,709 --> 01:11:58,719
but you know where i grew up in

1797
01:12:03,910 --> 01:12:00,719
southeastern oklahoma there was a

1798
01:12:06,229 --> 01:12:03,920
demolay chapter in my town and it was

1799
01:12:09,030 --> 01:12:06,239
just i mean those guys didn't have any

1800
01:12:11,430 --> 01:12:09,040
idea of any kind of secret society

1801
01:12:13,110 --> 01:12:11,440
connections or anything like that

1802
01:12:14,550 --> 01:12:13,120
it was just you know something it was

1803
01:12:18,630 --> 01:12:14,560
just social

1804
01:12:19,990 --> 01:12:18,640
right for them so uh yeah i if that's

1805
01:12:22,229 --> 01:12:20,000
all they could turn up

1806
01:12:24,550 --> 01:12:22,239
if you're looking for the guy who put

1807
01:12:27,030 --> 01:12:24,560
these strange things that i talk about

1808
01:12:29,430 --> 01:12:27,040
in the book and and they did strange

1809
01:12:30,390 --> 01:12:29,440
stuff with disneyland you need to be

1810
01:12:33,270 --> 01:12:30,400
looking at

1811
01:12:34,709 --> 01:12:33,280
cv wood the man from sri who the

1812
01:12:37,110 --> 01:12:34,719
disney's hired

1813
01:12:38,149 --> 01:12:37,120
and then they ultimately fired him

1814
01:12:39,430 --> 01:12:38,159
because

1815
01:12:40,870 --> 01:12:39,440
he was kind of going out there

1816
01:12:42,390 --> 01:12:40,880
presenting himself as the man who

1817
01:12:44,149 --> 01:12:42,400
created disneyland

1818
01:12:45,830 --> 01:12:44,159
well you know

1819
01:12:47,510 --> 01:12:45,840
walt uh

1820
01:12:49,350 --> 01:12:47,520
walt disney considered himself the man

1821
01:12:50,950 --> 01:12:49,360
who created disneyland wood is just the

1822
01:12:52,790 --> 01:12:50,960
man who built it and there is a

1823
01:12:53,590 --> 01:12:52,800
distinction to be made there between the

1824
01:12:55,830 --> 01:12:53,600
two

1825
01:12:57,910 --> 01:12:55,840
but uh stevie wood by all reports i even

1826
01:12:59,910 --> 01:12:57,920
talked to people who knew him personally

1827
01:13:02,390 --> 01:12:59,920
he was a really nice guy and he was a

1828
01:13:05,030 --> 01:13:02,400
showman and their view of that whole

1829
01:13:07,189 --> 01:13:05,040
fallout with walt disney was that you

1830
01:13:09,510 --> 01:13:07,199
know you had two guys that were showman

1831
01:13:10,310 --> 01:13:09,520
and they had egos you know

1832
01:13:13,990 --> 01:13:10,320
and

1833
01:13:15,990 --> 01:13:14,000
you know it was well mr wood we don't

1834
01:13:17,590 --> 01:13:16,000
need your services anymore

1835
01:13:21,030 --> 01:13:17,600
um

1836
01:13:23,350 --> 01:13:21,040
but uh it's very interesting what mr

1837
01:13:25,590 --> 01:13:23,360
wood engineered into that park

1838
01:13:28,149 --> 01:13:25,600
and that's all laid out in the book

1839
01:13:30,709 --> 01:13:28,159
can you give us just a few um

1840
01:13:31,750 --> 01:13:30,719
little details of that sure sure the

1841
01:13:33,430 --> 01:13:31,760
character

1842
01:13:35,590 --> 01:13:33,440
most of people have been you know

1843
01:13:37,510 --> 01:13:35,600
certainly in southern california oh sure

1844
01:13:41,189 --> 01:13:37,520
people have been to disneyland

1845
01:13:43,750 --> 01:13:41,199
between 1955 when it opened in 1982 when

1846
01:13:46,950 --> 01:13:43,760
they had redesigned fantasyland and

1847
01:13:48,709 --> 01:13:46,960
reopened it um or i'm sorry when they

1848
01:13:51,830 --> 01:13:48,719
shut down 1982 when they shut down

1849
01:13:54,630 --> 01:13:51,840
fantasyland to re redo it the carousel

1850
01:13:57,750 --> 01:13:54,640
sat in a particular spot

1851
01:14:00,390 --> 01:13:57,760
it was moved during the 1982 revamp of

1852
01:14:01,510 --> 01:14:00,400
fantasyland but the spot that it had sat

1853
01:14:03,990 --> 01:14:01,520
upon

1854
01:14:07,030 --> 01:14:04,000
originally is where

1855
01:14:09,510 --> 01:14:07,040
my geomorphology guy cesare has mapped

1856
01:14:11,830 --> 01:14:09,520
out the intersection of three

1857
01:14:13,910 --> 01:14:11,840
to lure current current

1858
01:14:15,750 --> 01:14:13,920
you know we'll call it ley lines for

1859
01:14:17,669 --> 01:14:15,760
simplicity

1860
01:14:19,669 --> 01:14:17,679
of these lines an intersection of three

1861
01:14:21,430 --> 01:14:19,679
of these lines the carousel sat right on

1862
01:14:23,590 --> 01:14:21,440
top of it and the theory is see

1863
01:14:24,709 --> 01:14:23,600
disneyland is built in a bowl people

1864
01:14:26,630 --> 01:14:24,719
don't realize that when you go into

1865
01:14:29,669 --> 01:14:26,640
disneyland the deeper you go into the

1866
01:14:31,189 --> 01:14:29,679
park you're going down into a bowl and

1867
01:14:34,950 --> 01:14:31,199
the train that goes around the park is

1868
01:14:37,510 --> 01:14:34,960
the berm of that bowl it's kind of a

1869
01:14:40,310 --> 01:14:37,520
a rough triangle shaped bowl

1870
01:14:42,709 --> 01:14:40,320
with rounded corners you know but it is

1871
01:14:45,189 --> 01:14:42,719
a bowl and um

1872
01:14:47,110 --> 01:14:45,199
the idea is is that the carousel as it

1873
01:14:49,830 --> 01:14:47,120
spun would have drawn the energy up of

1874
01:14:52,390 --> 01:14:49,840
this intersection of these three lines

1875
01:14:53,669 --> 01:14:52,400
and then redistributed it through the

1876
01:14:56,070 --> 01:14:53,679
park

1877
01:14:57,910 --> 01:14:56,080
and because it's in a bowl that energy

1878
01:15:00,149 --> 01:14:57,920
would flow through the park and then

1879
01:15:01,590 --> 01:15:00,159
kind of come up on the berm but just

1880
01:15:04,229 --> 01:15:01,600
through the spin

1881
01:15:07,189 --> 01:15:04,239
and through the shape it would then come

1882
01:15:10,630 --> 01:15:07,199
back in and flow back in on itself so it

1883
01:15:12,630 --> 01:15:10,640
was kind of self-containing the energy

1884
01:15:14,149 --> 01:15:12,640
and um

1885
01:15:15,990 --> 01:15:14,159
the carousel

1886
01:15:17,350 --> 01:15:16,000
would have been the the

1887
01:15:18,950 --> 01:15:17,360
operative

1888
01:15:22,149 --> 01:15:18,960
piece of the like if you think of

1889
01:15:24,790 --> 01:15:22,159
disneyland as a machine the carousel

1890
01:15:26,229 --> 01:15:24,800
was that spinning carousel was the the

1891
01:15:29,510 --> 01:15:26,239
main central

1892
01:15:31,590 --> 01:15:29,520
piece that made it all work

1893
01:15:33,750 --> 01:15:31,600
but now the carousels moved the

1894
01:15:36,310 --> 01:15:33,760
carousels moved um when i had my

1895
01:15:37,910 --> 01:15:36,320
experience it started while i was riding

1896
01:15:39,750 --> 01:15:37,920
the carousel when it was still in its

1897
01:15:41,430 --> 01:15:39,760
original position

1898
01:15:43,510 --> 01:15:41,440
okay so when i was riding a carousel

1899
01:15:46,630 --> 01:15:43,520
that particular night that i had my

1900
01:15:48,470 --> 01:15:46,640
strange encounter the carousel was still

1901
01:15:50,870 --> 01:15:48,480
directly above this intersection of

1902
01:15:52,310 --> 01:15:50,880
these three ley lines energy lines and

1903
01:15:55,189 --> 01:15:52,320
while i was riding the carousel that's

1904
01:15:57,030 --> 01:15:55,199
when i noticed the man named alfred

1905
01:15:58,630 --> 01:15:57,040
standing and watching and then i

1906
01:15:59,590 --> 01:15:58,640
encountered him

1907
01:16:01,910 --> 01:15:59,600
um

1908
01:16:03,669 --> 01:16:01,920
just minutes later seated on a bench

1909
01:16:04,950 --> 01:16:03,679
almost as if he was waiting for me to

1910
01:16:06,390 --> 01:16:04,960
approach

1911
01:16:09,270 --> 01:16:06,400
and um

1912
01:16:10,550 --> 01:16:09,280
and they do that yes of course i i felt

1913
01:16:13,030 --> 01:16:10,560
like you know there's something about

1914
01:16:15,430 --> 01:16:13,040
this old man i i want to talk to i'm a

1915
01:16:17,830 --> 01:16:15,440
high school kid you know and uh he was

1916
01:16:21,270 --> 01:16:17,840
wearing a black suit and a white shirt

1917
01:16:24,229 --> 01:16:21,280
with no tie no hat he had snow white

1918
01:16:25,590 --> 01:16:24,239
hair and a close crop beard

1919
01:16:27,110 --> 01:16:25,600
and um

1920
01:16:28,550 --> 01:16:27,120
you know it's tough

1921
01:16:30,310 --> 01:16:28,560
it was his he was just looking at the

1922
01:16:33,430 --> 01:16:30,320
place like he was in wonder like a

1923
01:16:35,030 --> 01:16:33,440
little child almost and um

1924
01:16:36,709 --> 01:16:35,040
uh

1925
01:16:38,630 --> 01:16:36,719
he um

1926
01:16:40,229 --> 01:16:38,640
this was in the days of the ticket books

1927
01:16:42,229 --> 01:16:40,239
you could either get the passport ticket

1928
01:16:43,830 --> 01:16:42,239
or the ticket book so the e ticket the a

1929
01:16:45,189 --> 01:16:43,840
ticket the b ticket and he was almost

1930
01:16:46,149 --> 01:16:45,199
out of tickets

1931
01:16:48,630 --> 01:16:46,159
and

1932
01:16:50,390 --> 01:16:48,640
time

1933
01:16:52,950 --> 01:16:50,400
so he had a ticket where he could still

1934
01:16:55,590 --> 01:16:52,960
ride small world so we i had two friends

1935
01:16:57,270 --> 01:16:55,600
with me by the way two witnesses to this

1936
01:16:58,229 --> 01:16:57,280
and we went on the small world with

1937
01:17:00,470 --> 01:16:58,239
alfred

1938
01:17:02,870 --> 01:17:00,480
you know and then after the ride it was

1939
01:17:05,510 --> 01:17:02,880
getting to be like 9 30 at night and the

1940
01:17:07,030 --> 01:17:05,520
park closed at 11 you know and and i was

1941
01:17:09,030 --> 01:17:07,040
you know being a californian i'm always

1942
01:17:11,590 --> 01:17:09,040
going to disneyland here was this you

1943
01:17:13,430 --> 01:17:11,600
know nice old gentleman and so i took my

1944
01:17:14,870 --> 01:17:13,440
um my uh

1945
01:17:17,110 --> 01:17:14,880
passport

1946
01:17:18,709 --> 01:17:17,120
and i attached it to his coat lapel

1947
01:17:20,790 --> 01:17:18,719
pinned it with one of those character

1948
01:17:22,630 --> 01:17:20,800
pins and i told him i said look with

1949
01:17:24,390 --> 01:17:22,640
that passport you can go ride everything

1950
01:17:26,229 --> 01:17:24,400
you want as many times as you want you

1951
01:17:26,950 --> 01:17:26,239
still got you know an hour and a half to

1952
01:17:28,310 --> 01:17:26,960
go

1953
01:17:30,310 --> 01:17:28,320
see the rest of the park and do other

1954
01:17:32,470 --> 01:17:30,320
things and he was just so nice and so

1955
01:17:34,550 --> 01:17:32,480
grateful he couldn't believe that i gave

1956
01:17:37,270 --> 01:17:34,560
him my passport ticket

1957
01:17:39,510 --> 01:17:37,280
and um you know then he walked back into

1958
01:17:42,149 --> 01:17:39,520
fantasyland and that was it you know

1959
01:17:43,910 --> 01:17:42,159
well you know except something nagged me

1960
01:17:45,830 --> 01:17:43,920
about that experience for years

1961
01:17:50,229 --> 01:17:45,840
throughout the rest of uh

1962
01:17:54,630 --> 01:17:51,990
1990

1963
01:17:55,990 --> 01:17:54,640
um one or 1992

1964
01:17:58,310 --> 01:17:56,000
and um

1965
01:18:00,550 --> 01:17:58,320
i was in a bookstore in manhattan i was

1966
01:18:01,430 --> 01:18:00,560
working for the fbi i was in the old i

1967
01:18:03,750 --> 01:18:01,440
don't know if it's still there the

1968
01:18:05,510 --> 01:18:03,760
coliseum bookstore at columbus circle

1969
01:18:07,110 --> 01:18:05,520
and it was the first time i'd ever heard

1970
01:18:09,750 --> 01:18:07,120
of ley lines i picked up this book

1971
01:18:10,550 --> 01:18:09,760
called the old straight track

1972
01:18:12,470 --> 01:18:10,560
and

1973
01:18:13,669 --> 01:18:12,480
i'm it's like a line energy blah blah

1974
01:18:16,229 --> 01:18:13,679
blah i'm like oh this is kind of

1975
01:18:18,229 --> 01:18:16,239
interesting um i had i'm sorry i had

1976
01:18:19,910 --> 01:18:18,239
heard about them in the late 80s in

1977
01:18:21,270 --> 01:18:19,920
reference to some ufo research some

1978
01:18:23,189 --> 01:18:21,280
other guys had done but i didn't really

1979
01:18:25,270 --> 01:18:23,199
know that much about them so in 92 i'm

1980
01:18:26,870 --> 01:18:25,280
looking at this book i'm going wow this

1981
01:18:29,750 --> 01:18:26,880
is interesting and it's by a guy named

1982
01:18:31,669 --> 01:18:29,760
uh alfred watkins now i didn't say

1983
01:18:33,510 --> 01:18:31,679
before but the old man had told me his

1984
01:18:35,830 --> 01:18:33,520
name was alfred by the way

1985
01:18:37,910 --> 01:18:35,840
so i opened this book up and there's a

1986
01:18:39,189 --> 01:18:37,920
photo of alfred watkins

1987
01:18:41,910 --> 01:18:39,199
and i tell you

1988
01:18:43,669 --> 01:18:41,920
i got goosebumps and it kind of freaked

1989
01:18:45,830 --> 01:18:43,679
me out a little bit because i was

1990
01:18:47,830 --> 01:18:45,840
looking at the photo of the man i met at

1991
01:18:50,070 --> 01:18:47,840
disneyland

1992
01:18:52,790 --> 01:18:50,080
in 81. okay and

1993
01:18:57,709 --> 01:18:52,800
what was in what when did he live

1994
01:19:01,990 --> 01:18:59,270
1990

1995
01:19:04,470 --> 01:19:02,000
yeah it was yeah see he had died a

1996
01:19:05,669 --> 01:19:04,480
couple of decades or so

1997
01:19:09,669 --> 01:19:05,679
before

1998
01:19:14,310 --> 01:19:09,679
i encountered his double at disneyland

1999
01:19:16,470 --> 01:19:14,320
also named alfred wow yeah that is wild

2000
01:19:17,350 --> 01:19:16,480
now have you seen that footage that's

2001
01:19:18,870 --> 01:19:17,360
been

2002
01:19:21,350 --> 01:19:18,880
made public

2003
01:19:23,669 --> 01:19:21,360
of the ghost at disneyland

2004
01:19:25,350 --> 01:19:23,679
i've seen yeah i've seen the most recent

2005
01:19:27,270 --> 01:19:25,360
i've um

2006
01:19:29,350 --> 01:19:27,280
there's someone just walking through the

2007
01:19:31,350 --> 01:19:29,360
place yeah

2008
01:19:33,990 --> 01:19:31,360
yeah interesting isn't it the book the

2009
01:19:35,110 --> 01:19:34,000
book has a chapter on the various

2010
01:19:37,910 --> 01:19:35,120
hauntings

2011
01:19:39,910 --> 01:19:37,920
at the park and um that's a very

2012
01:19:42,310 --> 01:19:39,920
interesting subject

2013
01:19:44,709 --> 01:19:42,320
here's something that i discovered um

2014
01:19:46,950 --> 01:19:44,719
and i believe i learned this from marla

2015
01:19:49,590 --> 01:19:46,960
james her and her husband are ghost

2016
01:19:52,070 --> 01:19:49,600
researchers in southern california and

2017
01:19:54,630 --> 01:19:52,080
they had done extensive research around

2018
01:19:56,149 --> 01:19:54,640
anaheim and such but marla had told me

2019
01:19:58,470 --> 01:19:56,159
that um

2020
01:19:59,590 --> 01:19:58,480
when people die at disneyland i don't

2021
01:20:01,830 --> 01:19:59,600
know if it's

2022
01:20:03,590 --> 01:20:01,840
this way but it used to be this way they

2023
01:20:04,870 --> 01:20:03,600
have an arrangement with the city and

2024
01:20:06,630 --> 01:20:04,880
the hospital

2025
01:20:07,990 --> 01:20:06,640
that um

2026
01:20:11,910 --> 01:20:08,000
the

2027
01:20:13,110 --> 01:20:11,920
taken

2028
01:20:15,750 --> 01:20:13,120
um

2029
01:20:17,350 --> 01:20:15,760
the hospital and declared dead there

2030
01:20:19,669 --> 01:20:17,360
that they won't be declared dead in the

2031
01:20:22,070 --> 01:20:19,679
park also no one will ever be declared

2032
01:20:23,350 --> 01:20:22,080
dead at disneyland yeah that was that

2033
01:20:24,950 --> 01:20:23,360
was what i was told that was the

2034
01:20:26,790 --> 01:20:24,960
understanding

2035
01:20:29,189 --> 01:20:26,800
of um

2036
01:20:30,870 --> 01:20:29,199
of uh

2037
01:20:33,189 --> 01:20:30,880
between the park and the

2038
01:20:35,590 --> 01:20:33,199
so you know people have died there but

2039
01:20:37,350 --> 01:20:35,600
they don't get declared dead

2040
01:20:38,470 --> 01:20:37,360
i mean except in the obvious cases i

2041
01:20:40,149 --> 01:20:38,480
think there was a gentleman who was

2042
01:20:42,470 --> 01:20:40,159
killed on one of the roller coasters

2043
01:20:43,830 --> 01:20:42,480
about 10 years ago

2044
01:20:46,470 --> 01:20:43,840
but

2045
01:20:48,790 --> 01:20:46,480
generally the death declaration is

2046
01:20:51,189 --> 01:20:48,800
outside the park but people have died

2047
01:20:52,310 --> 01:20:51,199
there there were um there was a boy who

2048
01:20:55,030 --> 01:20:52,320
died

2049
01:20:57,270 --> 01:20:55,040
drowning in the river

2050
01:20:59,350 --> 01:20:57,280
um the water surrounding tom sawyer's

2051
01:21:01,189 --> 01:20:59,360
island you know

2052
01:21:02,709 --> 01:21:01,199
there's been employees killed there and

2053
01:21:04,790 --> 01:21:02,719
stuff so

2054
01:21:07,990 --> 01:21:04,800
wow

2055
01:21:11,110 --> 01:21:08,000
very very very strange

2056
01:21:13,030 --> 01:21:11,120
now have you had any other experience

2057
01:21:14,709 --> 01:21:13,040
around this alfred

2058
01:21:18,149 --> 01:21:14,719
uh character

2059
01:21:20,550 --> 01:21:18,159
no i uh you know disneyland was the one

2060
01:21:23,590 --> 01:21:20,560
time i've experienced alfred and then

2061
01:21:26,550 --> 01:21:23,600
the interesting um you know discovery

2062
01:21:29,669 --> 01:21:26,560
you know what 11 years later of alfred t

2063
01:21:31,510 --> 01:21:29,679
watkins and um you know there he is uh

2064
01:21:34,070 --> 01:21:31,520
investigating these lines and if they

2065
01:21:35,669 --> 01:21:34,080
are associated with earth energy um i

2066
01:21:38,550 --> 01:21:35,679
discussed in the book

2067
01:21:40,390 --> 01:21:38,560
um what i think that experience you know

2068
01:21:42,070 --> 01:21:40,400
the possible explanations for that

2069
01:21:44,229 --> 01:21:42,080
experience you know you know just a big

2070
01:21:46,229 --> 01:21:44,239
old coincidence like the the uh

2071
01:21:49,270 --> 01:21:46,239
skeptical priests the skeptic priests

2072
01:21:51,270 --> 01:21:49,280
will say um or uh could it be this could

2073
01:21:53,189 --> 01:21:51,280
it be that and my favorite my personal

2074
01:21:56,310 --> 01:21:53,199
favorite of course is that old alfred

2075
01:21:57,750 --> 01:21:56,320
watkins in 1925 stepped into an

2076
01:22:00,229 --> 01:21:57,760
intersection and got transported to

2077
01:22:02,110 --> 01:22:00,239
disneyland in 1981. i'd love for that to

2078
01:22:04,149 --> 01:22:02,120
be the case right yeah

2079
01:22:06,629 --> 01:22:04,159
[Laughter]

2080
01:22:09,350 --> 01:22:06,639
that would be totally cool but you know

2081
01:22:11,910 --> 01:22:09,360
um for whatever reason

2082
01:22:15,110 --> 01:22:11,920
you know um i don't know

2083
01:22:17,830 --> 01:22:15,120
the exact answer as to why this

2084
01:22:20,870 --> 01:22:17,840
this double this doppleganger for alfred

2085
01:22:22,070 --> 01:22:20,880
watkins you know who's who studied these

2086
01:22:23,270 --> 01:22:22,080
lines

2087
01:22:26,229 --> 01:22:23,280
and then

2088
01:22:28,790 --> 01:22:26,239
you know here i am seeing this double

2089
01:22:31,430 --> 01:22:28,800
i mean it's kind of strange to see uh

2090
01:22:33,750 --> 01:22:31,440
how old did that gentleman appear to be

2091
01:22:35,189 --> 01:22:33,760
you said he had white hair yeah well

2092
01:22:37,350 --> 01:22:35,199
here's what's interesting is at the time

2093
01:22:39,430 --> 01:22:37,360
i said oh this guy's got to be around 70

2094
01:22:43,189 --> 01:22:39,440
years old well then later i learned that

2095
01:22:47,030 --> 01:22:43,199
when watkins you know was investigating

2096
01:22:49,669 --> 01:22:47,040
this stuff he was like 69 or 70.

2097
01:22:51,669 --> 01:22:49,679
in the photo i was looking at he was 69

2098
01:22:54,550 --> 01:22:51,679
or seven he was 69 years old i believe

2099
01:22:57,189 --> 01:22:54,560
so hey you know did you ever share that

2100
01:22:59,510 --> 01:22:57,199
photo um in the book with your friends

2101
01:23:01,189 --> 01:22:59,520
that were with you that day

2102
01:23:03,030 --> 01:23:01,199
oh well no this was uh i mean that was

2103
01:23:05,830 --> 01:23:03,040
in southern california this is 11 years

2104
01:23:09,030 --> 01:23:05,840
later you know i'm what

2105
01:23:09,830 --> 01:23:09,040
27 28 years old or whatever yeah

2106
01:23:12,310 --> 01:23:09,840
um

2107
01:23:15,590 --> 01:23:12,320
you know there i am i think i was 28 or

2108
01:23:19,590 --> 01:23:15,600
29. i'm in manhattan working for the fbi

2109
01:23:22,229 --> 01:23:19,600
um you know so uh and i think

2110
01:23:23,990 --> 01:23:22,239
you know what's funny is i don't think

2111
01:23:26,229 --> 01:23:24,000
that i've actually

2112
01:23:29,430 --> 01:23:26,239
been with any of the folks that were on

2113
01:23:31,669 --> 01:23:29,440
that disneyland trip since then

2114
01:23:33,910 --> 01:23:31,679
i wonder why you were so interested in

2115
01:23:35,830 --> 01:23:33,920
this old guy that you ran into did your

2116
01:23:38,390 --> 01:23:35,840
friends they they just thought i was

2117
01:23:40,470 --> 01:23:38,400
being you know a nice kid being nice to

2118
01:23:41,990 --> 01:23:40,480
the older gentleman you know being nice

2119
01:23:43,510 --> 01:23:42,000
to the old guy

2120
01:23:44,470 --> 01:23:43,520
you know in fact they said you know when

2121
01:23:45,669 --> 01:23:44,480
i give them the ticket that we're

2122
01:23:47,189 --> 01:23:45,679
walking away they're going oh that was

2123
01:23:49,110 --> 01:23:47,199
really nice of you i'm like you know

2124
01:23:51,350 --> 01:23:49,120
something just i don't know i just and

2125
01:23:53,270 --> 01:23:51,360
honestly i just kind of felt

2126
01:23:56,470 --> 01:23:53,280
compelled to do it

2127
01:23:58,149 --> 01:23:56,480
and i discussed that in the book that i

2128
01:24:00,629 --> 01:23:58,159
there's a certain

2129
01:24:02,790 --> 01:24:00,639
certain interesting thing

2130
01:24:04,870 --> 01:24:02,800
possibly you know

2131
01:24:07,270 --> 01:24:04,880
more to

2132
01:24:10,709 --> 01:24:07,280
some other thing it's you know the book

2133
01:24:15,189 --> 01:24:13,270
resulting implications of that simple

2134
01:24:16,629 --> 01:24:15,199
act of me giving

2135
01:24:18,870 --> 01:24:16,639
him my ticket

2136
01:24:20,629 --> 01:24:18,880
and it has to do with

2137
01:24:21,830 --> 01:24:20,639
when somebody comes from one of the

2138
01:24:24,229 --> 01:24:21,840
other realms

2139
01:24:26,709 --> 01:24:24,239
and you just free

2140
01:24:28,070 --> 01:24:26,719
willingly give them a gift

2141
01:24:31,669 --> 01:24:28,080
that

2142
01:24:34,149 --> 01:24:31,679
they reward you um

2143
01:24:36,229 --> 01:24:34,159
in in certain ways

2144
01:24:37,830 --> 01:24:36,239
that's really wild i had it

2145
01:24:39,270 --> 01:24:37,840
and i didn't notice at the time by the

2146
01:24:41,430 --> 01:24:39,280
way that's something that i learned

2147
01:24:44,390 --> 01:24:41,440
years later

2148
01:24:46,790 --> 01:24:44,400
yeah yeah i had a strange experience

2149
01:24:49,030 --> 01:24:46,800
similar to that i won't get into uh on

2150
01:24:50,790 --> 01:24:49,040
this show but with a a medicine man in

2151
01:24:54,229 --> 01:24:50,800
oklahoma

2152
01:24:57,030 --> 01:24:54,239
that uh i had given a gift and then some

2153
01:24:58,950 --> 01:24:57,040
really wild stuff happened

2154
01:25:01,030 --> 01:24:58,960
right that's usually what that's usually

2155
01:25:04,950 --> 01:25:01,040
what the reward is huh people think oh

2156
01:25:07,790 --> 01:25:04,960
reward a pot of gold right i wish

2157
01:25:10,229 --> 01:25:07,800
it was it was a gold mine of

2158
01:25:12,709 --> 01:25:10,239
experiences and it was more like a door

2159
01:25:15,030 --> 01:25:12,719
being opened is the reward

2160
01:25:16,550 --> 01:25:15,040
i think we do have those times in our

2161
01:25:17,669 --> 01:25:16,560
lives you know

2162
01:25:20,550 --> 01:25:17,679
where

2163
01:25:22,790 --> 01:25:20,560
there are those key moments

2164
01:25:25,750 --> 01:25:22,800
that come into play that sort of give us

2165
01:25:28,149 --> 01:25:25,760
a little jump and it seems that you know

2166
01:25:29,189 --> 01:25:28,159
you said you were just beginning to look

2167
01:25:32,709 --> 01:25:29,199
into that

2168
01:25:34,310 --> 01:25:32,719
the ley line uh phenomenon and

2169
01:25:36,709 --> 01:25:34,320
and then you come across this book and

2170
01:25:38,950 --> 01:25:36,719
of course you recognize the gentleman

2171
01:25:40,950 --> 01:25:38,960
and then

2172
01:25:42,550 --> 01:25:40,960
i would imagine that book yielded some

2173
01:25:44,629 --> 01:25:42,560
information to you that you probably

2174
01:25:47,189 --> 01:25:44,639
needed at the time

2175
01:25:48,709 --> 01:25:47,199
um the interesting thing was i looked

2176
01:25:50,870 --> 01:25:48,719
through the book

2177
01:25:52,390 --> 01:25:50,880
and um i never

2178
01:25:54,790 --> 01:25:52,400
i never read it never read the whole

2179
01:25:57,110 --> 01:25:54,800
thing it was i'll be honest with you my

2180
01:25:58,950 --> 01:25:57,120
my intuition told me that i learned

2181
01:26:01,430 --> 01:25:58,960
everything i needed to know it just that

2182
01:26:03,750 --> 01:26:01,440
basically what it was he was known for

2183
01:26:06,070 --> 01:26:03,760
regarding the ley lines and seeing his

2184
01:26:08,149 --> 01:26:06,080
image i think that was the purpose of me

2185
01:26:09,110 --> 01:26:08,159
finding that book somebody was telling

2186
01:26:11,590 --> 01:26:09,120
me

2187
01:26:15,830 --> 01:26:11,600
this is alfred this is the

2188
01:26:18,149 --> 01:26:15,840
or or and i get into this in the book or

2189
01:26:20,070 --> 01:26:18,159
the the the use of the double

2190
01:26:23,430 --> 01:26:20,080
was juxtaposed

2191
01:26:26,070 --> 01:26:23,440
into my path so that later i would when

2192
01:26:28,470 --> 01:26:26,080
i came across this book it would it

2193
01:26:30,950 --> 01:26:28,480
would prompt me to then subsequently

2194
01:26:31,750 --> 01:26:30,960
investigate this disneyland mystery

2195
01:26:33,350 --> 01:26:31,760
so

2196
01:26:34,790 --> 01:26:33,360
you know even if it wasn't alfred

2197
01:26:38,629 --> 01:26:34,800
himself

2198
01:26:40,310 --> 01:26:38,639
it was somebody or something

2199
01:26:43,510 --> 01:26:40,320
uh

2200
01:26:45,590 --> 01:26:43,520
moving some things around to get me to

2201
01:26:46,950 --> 01:26:45,600
write this book i have some other

2202
01:26:49,590 --> 01:26:46,960
theories that i

2203
01:26:51,990 --> 01:26:49,600
will not go into

2204
01:26:54,070 --> 01:26:52,000
if you don't mind we're right you know

2205
01:26:55,669 --> 01:26:54,080
just down to the final

2206
01:26:58,229 --> 01:26:55,679
two minutes or less than two minutes of

2207
01:26:59,590 --> 01:26:58,239
the show could you just name uh some of

2208
01:27:00,470 --> 01:26:59,600
your other books and give us just a

2209
01:27:02,870 --> 01:27:00,480
brief

2210
01:27:05,830 --> 01:27:02,880
idea of what those are about well you

2211
01:27:08,310 --> 01:27:05,840
know about the empire the wheel trilogy

2212
01:27:10,229 --> 01:27:08,320
and uh there's even aspects we didn't

2213
01:27:12,149 --> 01:27:10,239
even get into that'll i think blow some

2214
01:27:13,590 --> 01:27:12,159
minds particularly the second one

2215
01:27:15,430 --> 01:27:13,600
without a place

2216
01:27:17,270 --> 01:27:15,440
um and you know about the disneyland

2217
01:27:19,750 --> 01:27:17,280
book latitude 33 well there's also

2218
01:27:22,470 --> 01:27:19,760
secret missions the hidden legacy of old

2219
01:27:25,669 --> 01:27:22,480
california and that one is my most

2220
01:27:26,870 --> 01:27:25,679
recent uh non-fiction book and that gets

2221
01:27:29,270 --> 01:27:26,880
into

2222
01:27:31,990 --> 01:27:29,280
the truth about the explorer juan

2223
01:27:34,390 --> 01:27:32,000
cabrillo and why he came to california

2224
01:27:36,070 --> 01:27:34,400
what he was doing here and what his

2225
01:27:39,910 --> 01:27:36,080
identity and his

2226
01:27:40,950 --> 01:27:39,920
his origin and his uh fate actually were

2227
01:27:42,390 --> 01:27:40,960
i think

2228
01:27:44,390 --> 01:27:42,400
and um

2229
01:27:47,990 --> 01:27:44,400
it also gets into the fact that he i

2230
01:27:50,470 --> 01:27:48,000
believe was looking um his time his trip

2231
01:27:53,350 --> 01:27:50,480
to california had to do with an

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a medieval relic an old relic that i

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think was being was vaulted here in

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california

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and it gets into some some interesting

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stuff regarding the templars in america

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and all that so it's called secret

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missions the hidden legacy of old

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california and i am presently working on

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secret missions 2

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which i have not yet revealed who and

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what that's about i've only revealed

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part of the title it's secret missions 2

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the lost expedition of

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and i leave it blank

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wow walter bosley thank you so much for

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joining us tonight it's been a great

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90 minutes thank you so much

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take care everybody and i hope to join

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us next week for another edition of